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Unread post by Mullcom » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:44 am

I am trying to finding a way to add more networks ports and i may finding this item.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/M2-NGFF-NVMe-I ... 701?_ul=SE

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Unread post by odroid » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:49 am

One Korean user reported this adapter worked with a P400 video card.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32838873569.html

BTW, what do you want to make with 3~4 network ports?

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Unread post by brad » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pm

I would like to test out the functionality for M.2 to PCIex4 as well and waiting for an adaptor I ordered to test it out. Here are my notes so far...

PLANNED INITIAL SETUP

- M.2 to PCIe x 4 adaptor (M Key type)
I ordered an ATD link adaptor - http://www.adt.link/product/R42.html (I ordered R42SL but I think it should have been R42SR to make it best fit)

- Radeon RX 470 Graphics Card
I have one of these already for testing which is used in another machine and try to turn this H2 into a mini portable gaming machine.

- External Power via PC PSU for initial testing
I think I will power the PCIE socket with HDD power source on the H2, this will allow the H2 to turn off the PCIe port (and disconnect the cards external power source on shutdown). External power to to the GPU's 6 pins power will be supplied initially via PC ATX power source for testing

If the PCIE slot works as expected I have a few cards to try. I expect to hit bandwidth limitations with the GPU as pcie x 4 2.0 but will be interesting to see how well it performs if it works.

- GPU listed above Radeon RX 470 Graphics Card
- Gigabit network interface
- PCIE firewire card (for interfacing to an older Audio interface I have - make it into a DSP machine with realtime linux kernel)

If all goes well then I need to make a new case for the H2 with a PCIE slot and then find a way to supply a adequate level of power (for GPU) using a small form factor 12v power supply inside the case as well. It will have a slot for at least 1 SSD as well.

Hopefully I don't set fire to anything with my experiment :) I plan to test some gaming performance and compute power.
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Unread post by Mullcom » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:20 pm

odroid wrote:One Korean user reported this adapter worked with a P400 video card.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32838873569.html

BTW, what do you want to make with 3~4 network ports?
Hello.

I am building me a router and use H2 to Handel all my traffic in the future.

I don't know yet if i am going for SFP or more Ethernet rj45.

I need to calculate how much BW 4 lines can give. And investigate if there are network card that can take workload so CPU don't need to work all the time.



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Unread post by Mullcom » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:39 pm

brad wrote:I would like to test out the functionality for M.2 to PCIex4 as well and waiting for an adaptor I ordered to test it out. Here are my notes so far...

PLANNED INITIAL SETUP

- M.2 to PCIe x 2 adaptor (M Key type)
I ordered an ATD link adaptor - http://www.adt.link/product/R42.html (I ordered R42SL but I think it should have been R42SR to make it best fit)

- Radeon RX 470 Graphics Card
I have one of these already for testing which is used in another machine and try to turn this H2 into a mini portable gaming machine.

- External Power via PC PSU for initial testing
I think I will power the PCIE socket with HDD power source on the H2, this will allow the H2 to turn off the PCIe port (and disconnect the cards external power source on shutdown). External power to to the GPU's 6 pins power will be supplied initially via PC ATX power source for testing

If the PCIE slot works as expected I have a few cards to try. I expect to hit bandwidth limitations with the GPU as pcie x 4 2.0 but will be interesting to see how well it performs if it works.

- GPU listed above Radeon RX 470 Graphics Card
- Gigabit network interface
- PCIE firewire card (for interfacing to an older Audio interface I have - make it into a DSP machine with realtime linux kernel)

If all goes well then I need to make a new case for the H2 with a PCIE slot and then find a way to supply a adequate level of power (for GPU) using a small form factor 12v power supply inside the case as well. It will have a slot for at least 1 SSD as well.

Hopefully I don't set fire to anything with my experiment :) I plan to test some gaming performance and compute power.
Hello. I look forward to your project. We are out in the same thing.

First I find the card that didn't have extended cabel. But these would be complicated in an installation. This going to take up to much space because os how pciE port is pointed wrong way.

https://image.dhgate.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g ... card-m.jpg

My setup going to be to build this into my rack directly and then try to find out if i can deliver power from a din Rail that have power module on it.


I yast get my pi4 and look forward to test that out and see what i cam do with that. ;)

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Unread post by RomaT » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 am

It will look something like this:
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Unread post by Mullcom » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:18 am

Thx for the pics. Lovely

With that setup make the network ports going on other side then the other on the bord. maybe not the big deal for many but I will try to get them in the same direction then also the pciE card will lie down and not build as much.



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Unread post by RomaT » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm

Only it seems to me that in your photo the adapter only has 2 lanes of PCIe,
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Unread post by Mullcom » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:35 pm

That are not pciE lains. It is power right?

Anyway i am going to buy somting like that i post at the top of this thread.

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Unread post by RomaT » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:24 pm

power supply +12V to the PCI-E slot should come from a separate power source.
This is to power the devices of the connected PCI-E slot.
On the M.2 connector it is not and will not sustain power PCI-E devices.

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Unread post by brad » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:08 pm

RomaT wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:24 pm
power supply +12V to the PCI-E slot should come from a separate power source.
This is to power the devices of the connected PCI-E slot.
On the M.2 connector it is not and will not sustain power PCI-E devices.
Hi RomaT,
Im trying to work out power supplies for GPU whilst I wait for my adaptor to arrive

- My understanding is the 12v supply (SATA power) can supply up to 12v 3A and specs for PCIe x4 on the slot are 2.1A max (when using riser board)
- Controlling riser slot 12v power (drawn from SATA supply) will allow the card to operate (including the fans and turning off / on power on the external 6/8 pin 12v supply)
- External 12v power connected to 6 pin connector on the GPU

What are your thoughts here? It might get tight on the SATA supply if I use HDD but for SSD I think it will be under 3A when combined with GPU (slot only 12v power not external)

Thanks,
Brad.

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Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:44 pm

Success :)

I received the M.2 to PCIe x4 adaptor (it actually has x16 slot) and hooked it all up with temporary external power (both for the riser board and the external 6 pin 12v supply)

- Windows 10
- Connected Radeon RX 470 Graphics Card and installed drivers
- Needed to disable the UHD 600 device in windows device manager (it was acting as GPU core but strangely using the RX 470's 4Gb RAM dedicated RAM)

- Running World of Warcraft I could turn up graphics all the way and 25FPS at 1280p
- Recommended graphics setting was 7 out of 10 and this produced 40FPS
- Lowest settings run at 60FPS (much better quality than lowest settings with UHD 600 which run at 30FPS)

Overall a fantastic result considering the card is running in 4x PCIe 2.0 mode. I'm going to play Warcraft for a bit now (lets call it an endurance test) and then try PUBG later on. I should have purchased the R42SR adaptor rather than R42SL as the card is facing backwards (I will order another) but the proof concept works.

On the weekend i'm going to look at now to incorporate this into a case, the GPU card is larger than the H2 lol

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Unread post by odroid » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:20 pm

Very interesting.
Please show us a picture of your hardware configuration.

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Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:48 pm

odroid wrote:
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Very interesting.
Please show us a picture of your hardware configuration.
Its all very temporary at the moment but here are some quick pics.

I had some issues issues with the Radeon wattman driver crashing when card is under load. I also had similar issues on another machine with the card o I will check the problem (I think it has to to with the overlay support for the Radeon)

Also the card is dirty in the photos it needs a clean :o It

All power is supplied from an ATX power supply atm (photos don't show the other 6 pin power connector sorry)
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Unread post by odroid » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:07 pm

Thank you for the pictures.
Wow.. really massive and complicated configuration. :o

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Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:30 pm

odroid wrote:
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Thank you for the pictures.
Wow.. really massive and complicated configuration. :o
You know me odroid always playing with something a little extreme :lol:

Plan is to make it as small as possible with another power supply inside a case (with a fan for H2 in this instance, gpu has 2)

At least I can have fun playing games instead of my head buried in linux kernel code this time :geek:

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Unread post by RomaT » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:37 pm

:) Can use a small sized card, for example Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 MINI ITX or MSI GeForce RTX 2070 AERO ITX
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Unread post by odroid » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:39 pm

I have to agree Windows is a painless OS to play modern games for refreshing our brain. ;)

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Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:09 pm

Changing to DX11 fixed my stability problems for Warcraft so don't think the hardware had any issues. I think a smaller GPU as per @RomaT is ideal as the Rx470 runs only at around 30% capacity max and smaller GPU would fit much nicer into a case.

Edit: Yes DirectX 11 graphics turned all the way up at constant 40FPS is stable! (well 30FPS in background as per image) Radeon sits at 20% GPU mostly now. here is a pic

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Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:13 pm

experienced some less frequent stability problems even with DX11, seems fixed with windows default drivers for rx470 (no fancy Radeon wattman or game overlay performance monitoring tools)

As a bonus between 40 - 50 FPS at full graphics :) another win card running at 30% power now.

PUBG runs well too :) Now installing GTA5.

As a side note one the the realtek PHY was dropping out downloading - event viewer reported not responding (35Mb/s then starting dropping out after 100Gb download) plugged into the other port and back up and running.
The network interface "Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller" has begun resetting. There will be a momentary disruption in network connectivity while the hardware resets. Reason: The network driver detected that its hardware has stopped responding to commands. This network interface has reset 11 time(s) since it was last initialized.

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Unread post by odroid » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:06 am

40~50FPS :o Looks beautiful!

BTW, was the Ethernet issue appearing while you playing game?

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40~50FPS :o Looks beautiful!

BTW, was the Ethernet issue appearing while you playing game?
The Ethernet problem only occurred during heavy download (60Mb/s) ~ 80Gb not during normal gameplay, not sure if it was a windows driver problem or something else at this stage. I will keep an eye on this.

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Unread post by mad_ady » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:35 pm

I haven't noticed ethernet outages in the brief time I had windows on the H2. I transferred over 100G over lan, at gigabit speeds (but only on port 1)

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Unread post by Mullcom » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:01 pm

mad_ady wrote:I haven't noticed ethernet outages in the brief time I had windows on the H2. I transferred over 100G over lan, at gigabit speeds (but only on port 1)
Hello. This might be a problem for me because i am going to use this bord as router.

I can try to benchmark Ethernet ports in freebsd. And see if this doing the same thing.



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Unread post by Mullcom » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:07 pm

brad wrote:
RomaT wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:24 pm
power supply +12V to the PCI-E slot should come from a separate power source.
This is to power the devices of the connected PCI-E slot.
On the M.2 connector it is not and will not sustain power PCI-E devices.
Hi RomaT,
Im trying to work out power supplies for GPU whilst I wait for my adaptor to arrive

- My understanding is the 12v supply (SATA power) can supply up to 12v 3A and specs for PCIe x4 on the slot are 2.1A max (when using riser board)
- Controlling riser slot 12v power (drawn from SATA supply) will allow the card to operate (including the fans and turning off / on power on the external 6/8 pin 12v supply)
- External 12v power connected to 6 pin connector on the GPU

What are your thoughts here? It might get tight on the SATA supply if I use HDD but for SSD I think it will be under 3A when combined with GPU (slot only 12v power not external)

Thanks,
Brad.
Hej Brad.

How about adding a 3Am battery to the GPU?

This should take care of the high amount of power when it start up. And battery can make some stability of power consumption.

This perhaps can limit out the big PWS.?

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Unread post by domih » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:12 pm

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One Korean user reported this adapter worked with a P400 video card.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32838873569.html

BTW, what do you want to make with 3~4 network ports?
I wonder how the user connects it to the H2. The URL you provide leads to a CHIPAL Mini PCI-E to PCI-E 16X Riser Card. Mini PCIe does not fit into an M.2 connector.

Are you sure this is the right URL?

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Unread post by domih » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:18 pm

I believe this is the right URL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826512820.html (CHIPAL NGFF M.2 M Key to USB 3.0 PCI-E Riser Card M2 to USB3.0 PCIE 16X)

And hopefully, it does carry the 4 lanes. Apparently it does, a Russian customer says he uses it with a graphical card.

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Unread post by RomaT » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:27 pm

domih wrote:
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a Russian customer says he uses it with a graphical card.
therein the message says
odroid wrote:
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One Korean user reported this adapter worked with a P400 video card.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32838873569.html
This is an obvious mistake, apparently meant something from this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/ ... 67462.html
and that dubious adapters for PCI-E, moreover, only one lane PCIe ...
(one USB connector, four pins, can only hold one PCIe lane, for 4 lanes PCIe you need to be 4 USB connectors)
I would prefer a normal adapter with four lanes PCIe - R42SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32833359557.html
or with 4 lanes with x16 slot - R43SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830809871.html
I currently have adapter with four lanes PCIe: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826500318.html
in my photo other computer, in the format of miniITX - Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING with graphical card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 MINI ITX
It shows simply that it is possible to use small-sized graphical card ...
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The Ethernet problem only occurred during heavy download (60Mb/s) ~ 80Gb not during normal gameplay, not sure if it was a windows driver problem or something else at this stage. I will keep an eye on this.
This happened a few more times (has occurred on both ethernet ports) these times whilst watching netflix. I've updated to the latest drivers from https://www.realtek.com/en/downloads and will see if it happens again.
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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by domih » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:13 am

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I would prefer a normal adapter with four lanes PCIe - R42SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32833359557.html
or with 4 lanes with x16 slot - R43SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830809871.html
I currently have adapter with four lanes PCIe: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826500318.html
Thanks! I ordered them.

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by domih » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:33 am

domih wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:13 am
RomaT wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:27 pm
I would prefer a normal adapter with four lanes PCIe - R42SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32833359557.html
or with 4 lanes with x16 slot - R43SL: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830809871.html
I currently have adapter with four lanes PCIe: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826500318.html
Thanks! I ordered them.
1) Regarding the power, I'm using the 15V/4A US Power Supply from AmeriDroid (https://ameridroid.com/products/15v-4a-power-supply). According to my humble knowledge that 60W. I'm going to try using a PCIe network card that is said to suck 11.5W. If we add the power consumption of the CPU, memory, disk,... even if the total reaches 30/40W the 15V/4A US Power Supply should be able to take it, mm?

2) Will the PCIe 4x connector carry the 12v or do I need to also power the R24xx adapter? If so, is that the purpose of the white 4-pin thingy?

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by RomaT » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:34 pm

Yes, you need to apply +12V to the M.2 to PCI-E slot adapter, to the "Floppy" connector, As shown in the photo brad.
in the M.2 connector there is no power +12V, respectively, the network card is not on, so you need to submit separately.
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if the network card consumes up to 12W, respectively, the current consumption will be less than 1A.
What is acceptable for the SATA power connector on H2, to take from it the supply voltage of +12V.
the adapter M.2 to PCIe itself does not consume energy, he simply spends contacts PCI-E slot.
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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by RomaT » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:49 pm

domih wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:13 am
Thanks! I ordered them.
Happy to help.
I also ordered a slot adapter M.2 M to PCI-E x4 - R42SL, but I plan a network card easier https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33044523279.html
Although it may be enough to combine on board network cards in BOND, getting a speed of 2GbE with a regular 1Gb/s switch.
and I plan to connect hard drives to the expander https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/appli ... ata_drives
ordered here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32899742104.html
to create NAS-server viewtopic.php?f=172&t=35309&p=262087#p262087
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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by domih » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:40 pm

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Although it may be enough to combine on board network cards in BOND, getting a speed of 2GbE with a regular 1Gb/s switch.
So I guess we are now both waiting for Aliexpress deliveries... :-)

Regarding bonding the two onboard 1GbE NICs, it provides you with "overall" 2GbE potential bandwitdh, meaning you could have two clients talking at 1GbE simultaneously. On the other hand it does not provide you with a unique session at 2GbE. Right?

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by RomaT » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:46 pm

It is true, until you see the second dual-interface ;)

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by brad » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:08 pm

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The Ethernet problem only occurred during heavy download (60Mb/s) ~ 80Gb not during normal gameplay, not sure if it was a windows driver problem or something else at this stage. I will keep an eye on this.
This happened a few more times (has occurred on both ethernet ports) these times whilst watching netflix. I've updated to the latest drivers from https://www.realtek.com/en/downloads and will see if it happens again.
OK so far no more problems with the updated realtek drivers (from realtek site not standard windows installed drivers - 3 -4 years in difference in the version)

I will make a new thread (should have done this initially) to report the success / solution or the remaining issue in a weeks time once I have tested more.

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by odroid » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:11 am

@brad,
Please consider writing an article about the PCIe video card adventure on the H2 for our Magazine. ;)

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by brad » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:03 pm

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@brad,
Please consider writing an article about the PCIe video card adventure on the H2 for our Magazine. ;)
It would be my pleasure @odroid, I have been using the H2 as my main machine for entertainment, games and work for the past few weeks. The old windows PC has been retired for the moment :) (powered off)

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by RomaT » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:41 am

You turned "DISABLED" in the BIOS setting "PCI-E Clock Gating"? To work graphic card?

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Re: Add-on to H2 - M2 to pciE slot

Unread post by brad » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:07 pm

RomaT wrote:
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You turned "DISABLED" in the BIOS setting "PCI-E Clock Gating"? To work graphic card?
It was actually still set to enabled, did not appear to make any difference when I tried just now to set it disabled

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