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I don't see what kind of key(s) the M.2 socket has?

Do WLAN/BT M.2 cards work?

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It is a "M Key".
You can't use it for WLAN/BT probably.
We've used it only for the NVMe storage or the PCIe expansions.

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Too bad :(
There is always something why i can't use a otherwise great product.

Fujitsu D3544-S2 has no HDMI 2 or DP 1.4...
ASRock J4105-ITX has a ATX PSU connector...

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What is your target actual WiFi 11AC transfer speed?

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I'm building a portable NAS. Its more about range and features.
And I'm not a fan of connecting everything by USB.
I already ordered a Intel AX200.

I realized the the H2+ needs min 14 volts.
The Fujitsu D3544-S does work with a min of 8 volts what is great for car usage.

Whats the reason the H2+ needs 14?

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I think you can run it from 12V as long as you don't use 3.5" sata disks (which need 12V).

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Right. If you don't use any 3.5" HDD, 9V ~20V input is acceptable.
I just guess that most NAS probably have two 10~20TB HDDs.
But 500GB~1TB NVMe SSD powered portable NAS would be fine too.

BTW, how must do you pay for the Fujitsu D3544-S?

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The Fujitsu is 137€
If you can wait 2-3 weeks then the h2+ is 127€
The company that sells the Fujitsu and has the h2+ in stock is taking 185€ for it.
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Is it D3544-S2 model?

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Yes. Why are you asking?

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I just wanted to know about the SoC in the board.

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Just saw this thread: viewtopic.php?f=171&t=39425

You can connect a GPU to the M.2 but not WLAN?

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Pure PCIe add-on boards like GPU video cards and 10Gbit network cards are working well.
viewtopic.php?f=171&t=35614#p261992

But, according to the AX200 module brief datasheet, it seems to use the PCIe as well as USB signals together.
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/p ... -brief.pdf

I think the Bluetooth section in the module might use the USB interface.
If it is true, you can use the WiFi function only probably.
Note that there is no USB signals in the M.2 connector on the H2+.

I hope other users can confirm the compatibility and functionality.

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All the PCIe AX200 cards have an extra cable that you need to connect to USB.
Also the adapters:
https://www.cozzoo.com/home/193299-ngff ... tenna.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32725929394.html

So with an M.2 Key M to PCIe adapter it should work.

I thought there is something that makes the H2+ only recognize NVMe storage and by "PCIe expansions" you mean some special cards you sell for that board.

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MrGlasspoole wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:50 pm
I thought there is something that makes the H2+ only recognize NVMe storage and by "PCIe expansions" you mean some special cards you sell for that board.
We don't have such that high level technology. :o

Anyway, I've found a more cost-effective way probably.



It seems to be only 4~5 us-dollars.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000274478342.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000084724207.html

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I was searching such an adapter but if you search for m.2 key m adapter cable riser and what not you get all kind of stuff.
The M.2 to PCIe cables are really expensive. Here in Germany i can find only low quality cables. The good ones come from China and take weeks...

But i found now such an adapter here in Germany and its on discount: https://www.conrad.de/de/p/renkforce-sc ... 68004.html

You are now
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because you sold an H2+ :D

I only wish that thing would be a bit cheaper here in Germany
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I looked at these some time ago and it should work but might have to make custom cable for the USB as most were for internal usb connectors.

Also this could be an option but not tested or confirmed - M.2 key M to mini pcie - https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32618748503.html (connect a mini pcie wifi / bluetooth)

Lastly a M.2 Key M to PCIE adaptor if you could find a WIFI / bluetooth pcie card that does not connect the bluetooth part by USB (I could not find one with a quick look)
This is the adaptor https://www.adt.link/product/R42SR.html
I have a 4 port ethernet card connected to it at the moment but PCIE cards are big and bulky for a SBC so may not suit everyone (could not upload a pic as the forum upload limit has been reached)

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MrGlasspoole wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:35 pm
But i found now such an adapter here in Germany and its on discount: https://www.conrad.de/de/p/renkforce-sc ... 68004.html
That should work well, but it appears to have cable supplied for internal USB connector so you might need to modify it.

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I have boxes full of all kind of cables :)
Internal with that adapter you can just use these:
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And its no problem to connect this "dupont female connectors" to a USB A cable.

mini PCIe will only work if you have such a card. The AX200 is not available as mini PCIe.
I believe the last one with mini PCIe was the Intel Wireless-N 7260.

And what is that adapter anyways: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32618748503.html
Is it mSATA or is it mini PCIe? :lol:

The ADT-Link cables are expensive and long waiting time to get them.

EDIT
There is USB 2 on the GPIO socket - isn't it?
So just dupont female <> female cable needed.

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For adapters I usually search at https://www.delock.com/
They have the weirdest things.
If they have it, I search for "Delock xxxxx" where to buy it - or from other vendors now that I know that it actually exists and the name of it.

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Yes, H2+ has a USB 2.0 interface on the 24pin IO header.
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odroid wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:15 am
Yes, H2+ has a USB 2.0 interface on the 24pin IO header.
Oh wow I didn't realise, that would make it nice and easy :)

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<wrong:ignore>
WiFi 6 adapters are currently all PCIe or mPCIe. To get WiFi 6 on an H2 or H2+ without sacrificing the NVMe port, you could investigate a USB -> mPCIe solution. For example:

https://store.rakwireless.com/products/ ... -usb-board
</wrong:ignore>


See next posts instead.
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domih wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:19 am
WiFi 6 adapters are currently all PCIe or mPCIe.
Where did you see mPCI cards?
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MrGlasspoole wrote:
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domih wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:19 am
WiFi 6 adapters are currently all PCIe or mPCIe.
Where did you see mPCI cards?
Oops, it looks like I had plenty of proverbial matter in my eyes. It is obviously PCIe or M.2 E key. Ignore the link in previous post. So you need to find a M.2 E key <-> USB 3 adapter. Apparently this thing is a rare beast. So may be "M.2 E key adapter for M.2 M key socket" + "M.2 M key to USB Adapter" could do the trick.

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Its getting complicated...

So i bought the Intel WiFi 6 AX200 to find out you can't make 5 GHz access points with Intel cards.
So i bought a Compex WLE900VX miniPCIe. This are cards often used with APU boards for self made routers.
But this time i found out you can't do 2.4 and 5 GHZ simultaneously. Looks like all the AP and routers use 2 modules.

So I'm looking for a "M.2 Key M to 2x PCIe"
I only found this thing that has 3x PCIe: http://eshop.sintech.cn/index.php?main_ ... ts_id=1211

Did somebody see a card like that with 2x PCIe? Because i don't like that this one is so big.

The other two options would be:
1. "M.2 Key M to PCIe x4 Slot" > "PCIe x1 to 2x PCIe x1"
Delock 62584 https://www.delock.com/produkte/G_62584/merkmale.html
Delock 41433 https://www.delock.com/produkte/G_41433/merkmale.html

2. "M.2 Key B+M to mini PCIe" > "mini PCIe to 2x PCIe x1"
Delock 64103 https://www.delock.com/produkte/G_64103/merkmale.html
Syba FG-ECV08A https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32864107162.html

Both are expensive and the first one would also pile up and make the H2+ high.

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M.2 Key M to PCIe x4 Slot

https://ameridroid.com/products/m-2-to- ... r-straight (will give you physical x16, x4 signal)

For less (around $15), on eBay, look for "PCIe x4 3.0 PCI-E 4x To M.2 NGFF NVMe M Key"

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=PC ... y&_sacat=0

These are easy to recognize: it's basically a flat ribbon ending with the x4 PCIe slot. They look quite different from the "for BitCoin Mining people" 1x risers.

I'm using several of these adapters, they work OK (at x4) and come with the SATA power plug to floppy-like plug cable for the 12V.

Note that the H2+ provides this way PCIe Gen 2, not PCIe Gen 3.

---

For the WiFi 6 NGFF (M.2 E Key) cards, I did some digging since my last post out of curiosity: I could not find any USB 3 to M.2 E Key adapter. In addition it looks like WiFi 6 is only available via PCIe cards or NGFF (M.2 E Key) cards. There is NO USB 3 WiFi6 adapters *&^%$#@! I guess there must be a valid reason USB 3 should have no problem to carry WiFi 6 2.5G, a power issue?

HTH

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And then from the x16 slot to this Delock: https://www.delock.com/produkte/G_41433/merkmale.html ?
Damn that makes it even more expensive :cry:

Yes i also did not find any WiFi 6 USB adapters. Most modules for routers are mini PCIe.
I did read that the M.2 WiFi modules don't have the output power that the mini PCIe cards have. Maybe M.2 does not provide enough power?

The mini PCIe WiFi 6 cards are expensive: http://www.524wifi.com/index.php/networ ... dules.html

This thing is nice: http://www.524wifi.com/index.php/networ ... apter.html
But to big and to expensive.

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Mmm... if you use the NVMe slot as PCIe x4, why don't you then go with a WiFi 6 PCIe card instead of a module? For instance: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=WiFi+6+PCIe+card or https://www.amazon.com/s?k=WiFi+6+PCIe+card Or I am missing a point about what you want to achieve.

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My Intel WiFi 6 is PCIe x1. And for the Compex WLE900VX i need mini PCIe or also PCIe x1.
I would but the Compex on this adapter and put it into the second PCIe x1 (x4): https://www.amazon.de/Renkforce-MINI-PC ... B00CS2TDKQ

Off-Topic
Is there a special reason you can get the Odroids only at pollin.de in Germany.
With shipping the H2+ is 177 dollar.

Pollin is normally the shop here that sells cheap junk.

Edit:
I saw Reichelt also has them: 223 dollar
This prices are...

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We tested a lot of M.2 to PCIe adapters with the H2. Most were complete garbage compatibility-wise, and some had compatibility issues when used with different types of cards, or had issues with power delivery, crosstalk or other complications. The one that we stock passed all our tests with flying colors and had a low defect rate.

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I found this adapter: https://www.delock.com/produkte/1818_Ke ... kmale.html
I think it could work, don't you think? I want to do Server / Router / Nat / WiFi-AP. The WiFi-USB adapter is not suitable for this solution.

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GlidingFLy wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:28 pm
I found this adapter: https://www.delock.com/produkte/1818_Ke ... kmale.html
I think it could work, don't you think? I want to do Server / Router / Nat / WiFi-AP. The WiFi-USB adapter is not suitable for this solution.
The pictures don't make much sense as A or E key should provide USB as input but I don't see any components or usb input connector on that adaptor.

Also I think linux can support software access mode if the adaptor itself does not support access point mode. BSD on the other hand seems very limited from what I can tell and requires the hardware support in the adaptor

pfsense has some more information as an example https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/lat ... point.html#

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I assumed that I would use the WiFi card Intel 8265NGW M.2 NGFF from my stock, see:
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Wireless-A ... B0721MLM8B
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... -8265.html
and the adapter will provide me with link conversion. I think it might work, but I'm not sure.

I forgot to add that I don't need BT, it will be a server, router, wifi AP, with firewall and DLNA media server.

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GlidingFLy wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:17 am
I assumed that I would use the WiFi card Intel 8265NGW M.2 NGFF from my stock, see:
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Wireless-A ... B0721MLM8B
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... -8265.html
and the adapter will provide me with link conversion. I think it might work, but I'm not sure.

I forgot to add that I don't need BT, it will be a server, router, wifi AP, with firewall and DLNA media server.
I'm not so sure the intel cards work as access point mode. Best documentation I could find as follows. It has a section for checking the compatibility of the card with linux https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiD ... .29_series

I have not tested but the hostapd service may be able to achieve AP mode in software https://manpages.debian.org/testing/hos ... .8.en.html
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Thanks to Brad, it's about trying out the DeLock 65831 adapter I ordered and waiting for.
If it works, I can replace the WiFi module with another, suitable, without BT. I know Hostapd very well, I have been building servers of this type for a long time, but so far I have used mini-ITX boards. But with such a small board, ODROID-H2 + x86, I will work for the first time and I have no experience with it. I'll just see it.
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I tried the DeLock 65831, but it didn't work with my wifi module (Intel 8265NGW). I had an adapter sent Renkforce 2-AE Key to M.2 M-Key Adapter for M.2 wireless module as MrGlasspoole wrote https://www.conrad.de/de/p/renkforce-sc ... 68004.html
This adapter works (WiFi also BT) and with it I did several test installations of Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu Mate 20.04, Linux Mint 20 with updates when installing via this internal wifi. It always went well. But there is one problem I can't handle. Always after installation and the first start of the system to fine-tune, so wifi still worked. But after rebooting the system and restarting, the wifi module was no longer in the lspci list, which prevented me from connecting to the Internet. I found out that if I turn off the odroid and disconnect the power until the red LED on the board goes out and reconnect and turn on again, so after booting the wifi system works and is in the lspci list, for as long as the next reboot, when then the wifi module is not visible in the lspci list. I've tried all possible PCIe settings in the bios, but I'm not successful yet. Maybe I just didn't hit it by trial and error.
Does anyone have an idea?

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Did you try toggling "PCI express clock gating" option in the BIOS settings?
Bios / Chipset / south cluster configuration / PCI express configuration / PCI express clock gating

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Re: H2+ M.2 Key (WLAN/BT)?

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Thank you odroid, yes I tried this option, but it did not change the behavior of the wifi card after reboot. However, before you wrote, I continued to research the exclusion method and found an option in the BIOS. This is a PCIe Selectable De-emphasis option and this option must be set to Disabled on the port that is occupied by the wifi card. For me, it's port 3. Then the card is not lost after the restart and wifi always works properly. I can continue working on this server / router / AP / media server. Summary:
Bios / Chipset / south cluster configuration / PCI express configuration / Port number X / PCIe Selectable De-emphasis = Disabled
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Re: H2+ M.2 Key (WLAN/BT)?

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Glad to hear that.
Thank you so much for sharing the solution.
I can't believe how you could find the pcie signal de-emphasis option. :o
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Re: H2+ M.2 Key (WLAN/BT)?

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I agree, I was also surprised. But maybe with a wifi card from another manufacturer it would not be necessary. Maybe when someone tries it with another type of card, they will confirm to us if this is the case.
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