ODROID-C4

Ozarks · Post by **Ozarks** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:13 pm

fvolk wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:57 pm

Ozarks wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:42 am
It's disappointing that despite the power supply recommendation being 12v/2a that the UK Distributor, Odroid.co.uk is not only supplying 12v/1.5a but that you cannot order the board without the power supply.
The power supply is an option in the ordering process?

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At the time of posting it was not an option to exclude but they must have seen it and modified the page.

BrianBeuken · Post by **BrianBeuken** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:47 am

Can't seem to download any images for the C4, all links go to 404 not found pages, is there another link?

mlinuxguy · Post by **mlinuxguy** » Fri May 01, 2020 11:57 am

Same here (getting 404 for all mirrors for all images) and my 2x C4's I ordered come in very soon.

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Fri May 01, 2020 2:34 pm

Maybe somebody that ordered one with a compatible sd/emmc can make and share a copy of it in the mean time...

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Fri May 01, 2020 4:24 pm

Or you could image and upload from a C4 on the bench.

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Fri May 01, 2020 6:09 pm

Forgot about those

Post by **mdrjr** » Sat May 02, 2020 10:13 am

C4 image uploaded

mlinuxguy · Post by **mlinuxguy** » Sat May 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Using this link: https://wiki.odroid.com/getting_started ... _odroid-c4
still returns 404 for any mirror (minimal or desktop)

Found it here: https://odroid.in/?directory=.%2Fubuntu ... ts%2Fc4%2F

phaseshifter · Post by **phaseshifter** » Sun May 03, 2020 1:47 am

how about petiboot ..is it a software option..i still have my addon 16/8 mb etc chip for the n-1..if the software for the c-2 can do it then why not the c-4..etc..etc..

@tobetter can you ..p.m me we talk more about this..if so

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Sun May 03, 2020 2:29 am

phaseshifter wrote:how about petiboot ..is it a software option..i still have my addon 16/8 mb etc chip for the n-1..if the software for the c-2 can do it then why not the c-4..etc..etc..

@tobetter can you ..p.m me we talk more about this..if so

I think the first step would be to connect the spi nand to gpio and get it recognized in the os as a /dev/mtd. Then you can worry if the onboard bootstrap code tries to boot from spi flash before sd/emmc.
Do you plan on running without any sd/emmc attached, or are you interested in multiboot with sd/emmc?

If you don't mind a local sd, I think that petitboot could be loaded from sd without too much extra development effort and scan sd/emmc/usb and provide a boot menu or an installation environment simiar to what tobetter did for n2.

phaseshifter · Post by **phaseshifter** » Sun May 03, 2020 4:19 am

yeah sounds great i`ll get onto it 2 morrow.. i will see if the board sees it i have to read the n-1 notes first..thanks oh if i could get it to boot a usb stick that would be great..i think that is the idea so i can have multiple opp sys without to much fuss,..

phaseshifter · Post by **phaseshifter** » Sun May 03, 2020 4:46 am

i got a couple of c-2`s to test it with ..ingeraral ..it should be the same thing correct maybe some differences..though i should be able to do some thing

ksenchy · Post by **ksenchy** » Sun May 03, 2020 10:52 pm

I wonder how it stands up to the NanoPi M4. Would it actually be an upgrade?

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Mon May 04, 2020 4:15 am

ksenchy wrote:I wonder how it stands up to the NanoPi M4. Would it actually be an upgrade?

The only thing in the C4 that would be an upgrade is the memory speed and the VPU.

ksenchy · Post by **ksenchy** » Sat May 09, 2020 3:15 am

rooted wrote: ↑
Mon May 04, 2020 4:15 am

ksenchy wrote:I wonder how it stands up to the NanoPi M4. Would it actually be an upgrade?
The only thing in the C4 that would be an upgrade is the memory speed and the VPU.

I don't see how DDR4 1333MHz would be an upgrade to DDR4 1866MHz

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Sat May 09, 2020 4:34 am

ksenchy wrote:
rooted wrote: ↑
Mon May 04, 2020 4:15 am

ksenchy wrote:I wonder how it stands up to the NanoPi M4. Would it actually be an upgrade?
The only thing in the C4 that would be an upgrade is the memory speed and the VPU.
I don't see how DDR4 1333MHz would be an upgrade to DDR4 1866MHz

Read the full specs of the C4, the NanoPi M4 is using LPDDR3-1866 not DDR4 (the M4V2 uses DDR4)

The C4 memory specs:

DDR4 4GiB with 32-bit bus width
Data rate: 2640 MT/s (PC4-21333 grade)

mix · Post by **mix** » Sat May 09, 2020 8:00 am

To everyone happy about the use of the 2.1mm x 5.5mm barrel jack, you are welcome.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=22070&p=165769#p165769

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Sat May 09, 2020 9:00 am

ksenchy · Post by **ksenchy** » Sun May 10, 2020 6:00 am

rooted wrote: ↑
Sat May 09, 2020 4:34 am

ksenchy wrote:
rooted wrote: ↑
Mon May 04, 2020 4:15 am

ksenchy wrote:I wonder how it stands up to the NanoPi M4. Would it actually be an upgrade?
The only thing in the C4 that would be an upgrade is the memory speed and the VPU.
I don't see how DDR4 1333MHz would be an upgrade to DDR4 1866MHz
Read the full specs of the C4, the NanoPi M4 is using LPDDR3-1866 not DDR4 (the M4V2 uses DDR4)

The C4 memory specs:

DDR4 4GiB with 32-bit bus width
Data rate: 2640 MT/s (PC4-21333 grade)

Sorry I meant NanoPi M4V2... That one does have DDR4

thatchunkylad1989 · Post by **thatchunkylad1989** » Sun May 10, 2020 9:42 pm

This. Is. Awesome.
Shame I can't afford one right now

does look good, though.

marcelk · Post by **marcelk** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:43 am

domih wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:02 pm
I'm powering 7 x N2 and 3 x XU4 from a unique SFX PSU
[…]
(*) See attached picture, it's the thing hanging on the wall.

Awesome! Although I'm not in favour of going too much off-topic, I'm really curious where you use so many not-very-fast cores for. Does it bring one supercomputer that shows that desktop on your monitor (and if so, what's its use, apart from having many cores with a relatively low power consumption, i.e. does the system really use all those cores efficiently)? Are you doing some complex calculation(s) that can be spread over that many cores? Or any other use?

Sorry again for cluttering this topic, but I'm not able to send PMs, yet.

On topic: I ordered a C4, including a power supply and a case (I already own a 32GB eMMC), a few days ago. I'll have to wait a bit, as delivery times are 2-3 weeks at the shop in my country, but I'm fine with that.

OldGaf · Post by **OldGaf** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:31 am

odroid wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:43 pm
An ODROID-C4 dedicated case is available too. C1+/C2 cases are not compatible with C4 due to the different HDMI connector location as well as DC plug diameter.

Where to buy : https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c4-case-black/

Note: To minimize the thermal throttling in the enclosure, you need to lower the CPU maximum clock frequency to 1.8Ghz from 2.0Ghz.

"The drawings of the plastic case is supplied in AutoCAD and STEP format." <--- I cant find where to download the STEP file

I made a VESA mount for the back of my TV for my C2... I will need to make one for the C4 as well.

( https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4308923 )

neal · Post by **neal** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:47 pm

OldGaf wrote: ↑
Mon May 11, 2020 9:31 am
"The drawings of the plastic case is supplied in AutoCAD and STEP format." <--- I cant find where to download the STEP file

You can find the STEP format file here.
https://dn.odroid.com/S905X3/ODROID-C4/ ... 7_step.zip
And also AutoCAD and STL file here.
https://dn.odroid.com/S905X3/ODROID-C4/ ... TLnDWG.zip

penguinist · Post by **penguinist** » Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am

After following the excellent youtube video ( https://youtu.be/4MfHMKcHaUc ) procedure, I now have a C4 running Wayland with a nicely accelerated desktop. The performance is light years better than the C2 this is replacing. Good work HardKernel!

The only missing piece for me now is a cli 4k video player. The announcement above states that " We have c2play and kplayer examples which can play 4K/UHD H.265 60fps videos smoothly on the framebuffer" but I'm not finding c2play in the apt repository. Can someone point me to a c2play for the C4 that I can install or build?

Post by **odroid** » Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am

penguinist wrote: ↑
Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am
After following the excellent youtube video ( https://youtu.be/4MfHMKcHaUc ) procedure, I now have a C4 running Wayland with a nicely accelerated desktop. The performance is light years better than the C2 this is replacing. Good work HardKernel!

The only missing piece for me now is a cli 4k video player. The announcement above states that " We have c2play and kplayer examples which can play 4K/UHD H.265 60fps videos smoothly on the framebuffer" but I'm not finding c2play in the apt repository. Can someone point me to a c2play for the C4 that I can install or build?

4K video playback has some issues on Ubuntu 20.04 minimal (Legacy Kernel 4.4 and fbdev) image at this moment. When we tested 4K video function on Ubuntu 18.04 last year, there was no such issue as far as I remember.
Please give us a couple of weeks to resolve the VPU driver and ffmpeg related problems in 20.04. Once we have a preliminary image with a working video player package, we will share it via another thread.
Also note that upstream Kernel 5.4 ~ 5.7 still have no proper VPU driver yet.

If you need to check 4K video rendering performance urgently, consider trying Android OS images or CoreELEC OS image.

Shara · Post by **Shara** » Tue May 19, 2020 4:41 am

Hello. Is there way to breakout CVBS from C4?

neal · Post by **neal** » Tue May 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Shara wrote: ↑
Tue May 19, 2020 4:41 am
Hello. Is there way to breakout CVBS from C4?

I don't think so. CVBS pins of CPU are just off with any connections in the schematics.

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Tue May 19, 2020 11:21 pm

It means that some kernel parameters are not needed - like cvbsmode=576cvbs , which get set in boot.ini

tobetter · Post by **tobetter** » Tue May 19, 2020 11:25 pm

mad_ady wrote: ↑
Tue May 19, 2020 11:21 pm
It means that some kernel parameters are not needed - like cvbsmode=576cvbs , which get set in boot.ini

True, it won't work.

JochenAlt · Post by **JochenAlt** » Mon May 25, 2020 9:24 pm

Hi, is there any chance to run Ubuntu 18.04 on Odroid-C4? Need ros-melodic....
Cheers
Jochen

igorpec · Post by **igorpec** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:07 pm

JochenAlt wrote: ↑
Mon May 25, 2020 9:24 pm
Hi, is there any chance to run Ubuntu 18.04 on Odroid-C4? Need ros-melodic....
Cheers
Jochen

If you need specific Ubuntu or Debian version, which doesn't already exist, you can build one.

For multimedia features, kernel 4.9.y is currently still the best way to go, but soon things will also work well on a modern, 5.6.->.

JochenAlt · Post by **JochenAlt** » Tue May 26, 2020 3:46 am

igorpec wrote: ↑
Mon May 25, 2020 11:07 pm

JochenAlt wrote: ↑
Mon May 25, 2020 9:24 pm
Hi, is there any chance to run Ubuntu 18.04 on Odroid-C4? Need ros-melodic....
Cheers
Jochen
If you need specific Ubuntu or Debian version, which doesn't already exist, you can build one.

For multimedia features, kernel 4.9.y is currently still the best way to go, but soon things will also work well on a modern, 5.6.->.

Thanks! Will try as soon as my C4 is delivered!

Bwm · Post by **Bwm** » Tue May 26, 2020 6:21 pm

Hi, what will be the max disk size for eMMC and/or MicroSd card?
Thanks
Børge

Post by **odroid** » Tue May 26, 2020 6:28 pm

As per our test results, eMMC is 128GB and MicroSD is 512GB.
But Samsung doesn't produce the 128GB eMMC chipset any more and we've not sold the 128GB eMMC module from early this year.

thomasmartinez656 · Post by **thomasmartinez656** » Wed May 27, 2020 1:56 pm

I currently have a OS that was used for the C2, I was wondering if it possible for that same Os would also work for the C4 as well?

Post by **odroid** » Wed May 27, 2020 2:01 pm

thomasmartinez656 wrote: ↑
Wed May 27, 2020 1:56 pm
I currently have a OS that was used for the C2, I was wondering if it possible for that same Os would also work for the C4 as well?

No. They are not compatible each other.
Which OS image and application software did you run on the C2?

thomasmartinez656 · Post by **thomasmartinez656** » Wed May 27, 2020 2:20 pm

an android base os with a integrated app
I was wondering can it be modified to work with the previous OS ?

Post by **odroid** » Wed May 27, 2020 3:20 pm

No. You have to use the dedicated Android 9(pie) 64bit OS images for the ODROID-C4.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-c4/os_im ... id/android

Kyoshi · Post by **Kyoshi** » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:22 pm

Hello,

I want to use an Odroid-C4 as a home automation server.
On this server, I plan to put several USB controllers:
- Z-Wave controller (ex : Aeotec ZW090 "Z-Stick" GEN5)
- GSM USB Key (ex: Huawei E3372)
- Bluetooth dongle (ex : UD100-G03)
- Maybe a 4th

For a RaspBerry Pi for example, it is recommended to use a self-powered hub.
What about the Odroid-C4?

Thanks.

meveric · Post by **meveric** » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:36 am

self-powered USB hub is always recommended, as high CPU usage could theoretically affect power draw on USB ports.
Also USB specification limits power draw to 5V and depending on the standard 500mA (USB 2.0) or 900mA (USB 3.0) so 2.5W or 4.5W in total, which also means, if the sum of USB devices exceed 4.5W power draw it's out of specification and it may not work.
Newer USB standards (USB 3.1), and some power USB standards support higher draw 1.5A on USB 3.0 (or a lot higher on USB 3.1). But I wouldn't bet on it.
Overall powered USB hub is always the better solution to be on the save side.

Kyoshi · Post by **Kyoshi** » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:16 am

Thank you for your answer.
It's the same for all Odroid version?

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:10 am

I think the C4 can handle those devices without a powered hub. If you get into problems later you should separate low speed and high speed devices (connect some to the otg port).

Kyoshi · Post by **Kyoshi** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:37 pm

Ok, thank you mad_ady.

skreeves · Post by **skreeves** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:19 pm

You'll need a hub for the Z-Stick anyway, might as well make it a powered one.

mad_ady · Post by **mad_ady** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:58 pm

Is it too bulky and covers up the ports? Maybe you can get away with an extension cable...

Post by **odroid** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:21 pm

This thread is locked.
Please create a new topic on the C4 sub-forum.
viewforum.php?f=200