H2 performance suitable for a day to day win10 ?

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H2 performance suitable for a day to day win10 ?

Unread post by Hermes449 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:59 pm

Hello dear members of the forum
I am really considering this H2 sbc for my kids but I would like to know if it can really handle a WIN10 system on a day to day basis. I would add 16GB or RAM to it. And an NVME SSD of 512GB. (By the way, what is the NVME version supported?)
The workload would mostly be WEB browsing (Chrome, FF, Opera) with a ton of opened tab on a 1GB internet connection. Some python coding and some MS-Office (word, excel and powerpoint mostly).
Dual display 27" @ 2560 x 1440
Would it handle the task fluently or would the CPU be too weak for it ?
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Re: H2 performance suitable for a day to day win10 ?

Unread post by meveric » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:31 pm

Performance wise you get a entry level Laptop, one that you could buy from the store for $300 or something like that.

It runs entirely off the Intel CPU, means CPU/GPU/Display everything runs off it.
The more you stress it the slower it gets. Means, running a single monitor at 1080p is probably running fine with all kinds of applications.
Running dual display 2560x1440 is probably maxing out the Display capabilities of the CPU quite good. Which in the end, will reduce the number of things you can run at the same time on the system.

Let's just say I wouldn't run dual display + Chome with tons of open tabs + python + ms-office + <whatever> all at the same time.
Why each one of these things on their own run fine, all together will most likely be too much for the system.

Once again, this is about the CPU capability of an entry level Laptop, nothing more nothing less.
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Unread post by Hermes449 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:38 am

Thank you Meveric, but one thing not clear, I thought that the GPU is a separate ASIC of the CPU meaning that it wouldn't interfere with calculations cpu cycles. Or am I wrong ? Maybe ODROID can comment that point and if they had performed tests in such configuration it would be great to know about it.
Of course I don't expect too much from that kind of cpu but I was still counting on its ability to load web pages, drive the 1GB ports and perfom some coding in Python.
Running MS-Office should'nt be a problem either ... or not.

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Unread post by meveric » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:59 am

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Thank you Meveric, but one thing not clear, I thought that the GPU is a separate ASIC of the CPU meaning that it wouldn't interfere with calculations cpu cycles. Or am I wrong ?
It is, but GPU generates heat as well, high cpu clock = high heat, lower CPU clock due to heating... cpu also as a limited TDP and maxing out GPU will reduce what can be used by the CPU for other tasks.
Also GPU is never used alone, physics and other calculations are still done by the CPU on GPU intensive tasks.
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Re: H2 performance suitable for a day to day win10 ?

Unread post by mad_ady » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:33 pm

There's also the problem of memory access - the gpu uses system ram and competes with the cpu for bus access. The bigger the resolution, the more memory needed, the more time ram bus is used by the gpu.
But - IMHO, I think you can use it for your purposes. It won't be a speed demon, but I don't think it will lag either. Get a fan and make sure the case is well ventilated.
Also get a tab suspender plugin. That always helps.
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Unread post by crashoverride » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:24 pm

While I can not attest to Windows or Office (since I use neither). I can definitely say that J4105 *is* a desktop replacement. I use several for months now for day-to-day things (running Ubuntu 18.04 with HWE). I even compile Linux kernels on it. It is definitely more than adequate for Python. The number of browser tabs open is limited by the amount of RAM installed (I use 8GB as two 4G SODIMMs). It has never been slow on any web sites I use (including youtube) with Firefox. I even occasionally use a dual monitor configuration (both at 1080p).

For completeness, all my installations use a SSD for OS and a HDD for storage. Some use NVMe others SATA SSDs. Either is sufficient for my needs.
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Unread post by Hermes449 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:03 pm

295 persons looked at this thread so far and only a couple of persons took time to share their opinions. Please feel free to talk about your experience with your H2 used as a windows 10 desktop computer.
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Unread post by odroid » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:36 pm

Since most users in this community are using Linux OS, they don't like to post answers due to limited experience.

I've been using my H2 as a main desktop with Ubuntu over 10 months too.
I connected 1920x1080 and 2560x1440 monitors for dual-head display.
2x4GB DDR4 dual channel configuration with 250GB NVMe storage. There is no cooling fan nore HDD and it is really quiet naturally.
Power consumption in the idle mode is around 4~5Watt with two Etherent connections.

I can enjoy 4K Youtube videos with over 50 opened tabs on Chrome and FireFox browsers together.
LibreOffice also quite works nicely with various document formats.

I bet Windows 10 also gives you a very identical user experience.
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Unread post by tmihai20 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:26 pm

I am not using it as a desktop replacement, but it should be good to use with Windows or Linux, but install OS on SSD (SATA or M.2). Put 2x4 GB DDR4 in it and let it shine. As long as heavy gaming is not involved (unless using Steam Streaming from a more powerful computer), it would be good for children and a lot better than an entry level laptop.
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Unread post by doughnut » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:15 pm

I have been using H2 for several weeks now, and I find it more than adequate for day-to-day use. By that I mean, Office applications and internet. I have mine configured with Windows 10, 256GB ssd and 16GB Ram. For my applications, it is as fast as my older intel I3/I5 that I have. In the graphics area, you might find some short fall, not from a presentation point, but in raw gaming performance. I watch 1080p movies without issue. It wouldnt run 4k madvr, but that takes a dedicated graphics card.
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Unread post by Hermes449 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:17 pm

Thank you guys for your feedback
I think that I'm going to buy one for testing and if everything is doing great I'll order another one.
If some more people would like to share their experience they're more than welcome

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Unread post by brad » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:00 pm

I been using the H2 as my main windows entertainment machine running Windows 10 pro for the past 6 weeks with sata connected ssd & 8Gb cheap RAM.

I was quiet impressed with inbuilt GPU for youtube, netflix, video, and even some basic gaming. Office applications, general web, music, etc no problems. I don't have a 4K display so unsure how much this would impact user experience in terms of performance. I found the inbuilt GPU performed better with updated GPU drivers from the intel website rather than the Windows 10 default.

I've even connected an external Radeon GPU but its relatively messy setup for the moment with external power sources and some adaptors (the card is larger than the H2) but am able to get some good performance with some relatively recent games like World of Warcraft (gets a little bogged down in 40v40 player combat), GTA5, PUBG, etc. Ideally I need some faster RAM and 2 sticks bettwer performance with dual channel memory.

I had some issues with the Ethernet ports disconnecting at times, this was fixed by updating the Realtek Ethernet drivers from the Realtek website. The ones default with Windows 10 tended to crash and were older versions from 2015.

I initially purchased the H2 for linux but as Windows runs well (especially with external GPU) im keeping it as a Windows machine to replace my older i5 desktop. I have to purchase another one for my Linux projects :)
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Unread post by Hermes449 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:28 pm

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I been using the H2 as my main windows entertainment machine running Windows 10 pro for the past 6 weeks with sata connected ssd & 8Gb cheap RAM.
Hey Brad thanks for sharing. Can you tell me which version of windows 10 are you running ? And are you using one or two monitors ?

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Hey Brad thanks for sharing. Can you tell me which version of windows 10 are you running ? And are you using one or two monitors ?
sure, only 1 monitor connected to the external Radeon rx470 at the moment via HDMI

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