H2 Rev-B

rooted · Unread post by **rooted** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:58 am

There will be a new revision when it's re-released which was tested this 4 port SATA controller M.2 to 4 Port SATA 6G RAID Adapter(PCIe 2.0) IO-M2F9230-4IR

Discuss.

odroid wrote:We tested the IO-M2F9235-4I on the new H2 rev-B samples and it worked well.
But we needed a large ATX PSU to run six HDDs including two native SATA ports on the H2.

BTW, Intel just confirmed the delivery schedule of the J4105 SoC.
So we are checking our production schedule as well as other raw material stuff.
We will share the H2 re-launching schedule early next week.
I hope we can start to ship the H2 boards four~five weeks later.

fvolk · Unread post by **fvolk** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:33 am

How about alternative boards: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdadko&xf=1118 ... 9_M.2+PCIe
Would a Delock 54668 also work?

As such a card seems to be quite wide, is there still enough space to the ram modules?

tobetter · Unread post by **tobetter** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:03 am

fvolk wrote: ↑
Tue May 28, 2019 2:33 am
How about alternative boards: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdadko&xf=1118 ... 9_M.2+PCIe
Would a Delock 54668 also work?

As such a card seems to be quite wide, is there still enough space to the ram modules?

There is no interference with RAM modules with M.2 to 4 Port SATA 6G RAID Adapter(PCIe 2.0) IO-M2F9230-4IR, but only small space is available.

tmihai20 · Unread post by **tmihai20** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:52 pm

What does a new revision actually mean? What will it be changed?

Unread post by **odroid** » Tue May 28, 2019 4:00 pm

We will make a list of changes by the end of this week.

tmihai20 · Unread post by **tmihai20** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:41 pm

I can hardly wait for it, but I have waited 10 months for H2, a few more days won't kill me

RomaT · Unread post by **RomaT** » Tue May 28, 2019 9:53 pm

it would not be bad to change the pwm controller by +12V,
the one that can do 100% duty cycle (synchronous buck Half-Bridge/bypass)
so that the input voltage could be from 12V to xx
or fixed 12V input DC-Jack.

6ixxer · Unread post by **6ixxer** » Thu May 30, 2019 1:09 pm

odroid wrote: ↑
Tue May 28, 2019 4:00 pm
We will make a list of changes by the end of this week.

*waiting intensifies*

I was keen to know when H2 would return, but this is better.
Any chance you'll open orders before June30 so I can squeak in before tax year ends?
I'm ok to wait a few weeks for production/delivery.

KnowBe4 · Unread post by **KnowBe4** » Fri May 31, 2019 11:56 am

since you guys make it possible to support 6 HDDs for ODROID-H2, are you gonna also make new case that will support 6 HDDs for ODROID-H2 ?

tobetter · Unread post by **tobetter** » Fri May 31, 2019 12:10 pm

KnowBe4 wrote: ↑
Fri May 31, 2019 11:56 am
since you guys make it possible to support 6 HDDs for ODROID-H2, are you gonna also make new case that will support 6 HDDs for ODROID-H2 ?

I am not optimistic to build a new case with 6 HDDs for fewer demands but we are considering to offer a showcase which could be built using a few market products.

Unread post by **odroid** » Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm

The ODROID-H2 Rev B will have these minor changes.
<1> CLK-REQ signal pull resistor is added to support PCIe-to-SATA bridge board
<2> 12V SATA power circuit on the H2 board improvement for high power consumption HDDs like HGST Ultrastar 7K4000 series and Seagate IronWolf series.
<3> Add a M.2 screw for NVMe storage installation since many users had a hard time to find a proper screw to fasten their NVMe SSD.
<4> Pre-install the latest BIOS 1.05

You can find the Rev B schematics and PCB pictures in this link.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/hardw ... schematics

The BIOS revision history is available here. You can use the latest BIOS on the first batch Rev 0.1 too.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/hardw ... on_history

We ordered this ITX case to make a build instruction for DIY 6-bay NAS as @tobetter mentioned. Delivery may take two or more weeks from China to Korea.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HCiPC-6 ... 19894.html
Once we receive it, we will write a Magazine article with several pictures.

We will start selling and shipping the ODROID-H2 Rev B from June 26th if everything goes well.

KnowBe4 · Unread post by **KnowBe4** » Fri May 31, 2019 2:36 pm

odroid wrote: ↑
Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm

We ordered this ITX case to make a build instruction for DIY 6-bay NAS as @tobetter mentioned. Delivery may take two or more weeks from China to Korea.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HCiPC-6 ... 19894.html
Once we receive it, we will write a Magazine article with several pictures.

is it possible to have version of ODROID-H2 Case Type 1 that support 4 x HDDs, like in a vertical position ?

Unread post by **odroid** » Fri May 31, 2019 3:15 pm

@KnowBe4,
We have no plan to make a new case for more than two HDDs since the power supply must be much bigger and the PSU must have more SATA power cables.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/appli ... ata_drives

mad_ady · Unread post by **mad_ady** » Fri May 31, 2019 3:28 pm

@odroid: Did you consider replacing the sata power connector with a standard molex one (that could be split with a Y cable)? Some complained it was difficult to find a power cable.You may not have enough room to do it though....

Unread post by **odroid** » Fri May 31, 2019 3:53 pm

We want to save time.
Otherwise, we have to wait two more months at least if we make a new PCB and validate the changes.

I hope customers don't forget to put this item into their shopping cart.
https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/sata-da ... wer-cable/

mad_ady · Unread post by **mad_ady** » Fri May 31, 2019 4:11 pm

Ok, fair enough. Thanks

piknew · Unread post by **piknew** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:03 am

odroid wrote: ↑
Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm
<1> CLK-REQ signal pull resistor is added to support PCIe-to-SATA bridge board
You can find the Rev B schematics and PCB pictures in this link.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/hardw ... schematics

The BIOS revision history is available here. You can use the latest BIOS on the first batch Rev 0.1 too.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/hardw ... on_history

May I ask to elaborate as above a little bit more?

The resistor - is it a fix to something similar as described in viewtopic.php?f=171&t=34188 (cold start sometimes makes pci-e controller card not visible)?

Unread post by **odroid** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:43 am

piknew wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:03 am
May I ask to elaborate as above a little bit more?
The resistor - is it a fix to something similar as described in viewtopic.php?f=171&t=34188 (cold start sometimes makes pci-e controller card not visible)?

We will try several times of cold-boot with Rev-B to check whether the PCIe-to-SATA bridge board detects every time or not.

Edit: We tried 10 times of cold-boot loop test with Rev-B and there was no issue of the PCIe-SATA detection.
If you can solder a small resistor for your test, we will let you know the location and value of the resistor with a picture in your thread.

piknew · Unread post by **piknew** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:24 pm

odroid wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:43 am

piknew wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:03 am
May I ask to elaborate as above a little bit more?
The resistor - is it a fix to something similar as described in viewtopic.php?f=171&t=34188 (cold start sometimes makes pci-e controller card not visible)?
We will try several times of cold-boot with Rev-B to check whether the PCIe-to-SATA bridge board detects every time or not.

Edit: We tried 10 times of cold-boot loop test with Rev-B and there was no issue of the PCIe-SATA detection.
If you can solder a small resistor for your test, we will let you know the location and value of the resistor with a picture in your thread.

Please do (I mean provide details about pull up resistor). Thanks.

YamashitaRen · Unread post by **YamashitaRen** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:57 pm

Too bad you didn't take the opportunity of this 1 year delay to add HDMI CEC... There is still no board like this on the market.
viewtopic.php?f=168&t=32833&p=238635#p238635
viewtopic.php?f=168&t=32536&p=236546#p236543
viewtopic.php?f=168&t=32536&p=236546#p236640

yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH · Unread post by **yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:45 am

odroid wrote: ↑
Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm
We ordered this ITX case to make a build instruction for DIY 6-bay NAS as @tobetter mentioned. Delivery may take two or more weeks from China to Korea.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HCiPC-6 ... 19894.html

@odroid, does this mean H2 Rev-B supports other Mini-ITX cases as well?

Thanks!

Unread post by **odroid** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:33 am

@YamashitaRen,
We tried to find an affordable CEC capable micro-controller(MCU) but we couldn't. The add-on solution was too expensive. Sorry about that.

@yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH,
We will make a plastic plate to mount the H2 board. The plastic plate just has several holes as an adapter.

yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH · Unread post by **yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:01 am

So, H2 board with the plastic plate mounted would be compatible with mini-itx cases, is this correct?

I'm asking this because if so, then we have a lot more options for cases.

Thanks!

rooted · Unread post by **rooted** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:17 am

yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH wrote:So, H2 board with the plastic plate mounted would be compatible with mini-itx cases, is this correct?

I'm asking this because if so, then we have a lot more options for cases.

Thanks!

Correct

yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH · Unread post by **yZ5Cugjn3o5WA5DH** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:26 am

Awesome, thanks!

YamashitaRen · Unread post by **YamashitaRen** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:46 am

odroid wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:33 am
@YamashitaRen,
We tried to find an affordable CEC capable micro-controller(MCU) but we couldn't. The add-on solution was too expensive. Sorry about that.

Aaahhh, too bad

Nevertheless, the info is much appreciated. Thank you.

yudouxie · Unread post by **yudouxie** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:54 pm

There are only 2 stat power connector on the board while this new rev can support up to 6 stat. So，what's the good solution for the power supply for those HDDs? How to power them on and off at the same time with the board in a simple way? Thanks for everyone's opinion.

tobetter · Unread post by **tobetter** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm

yudouxie wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:54 pm
There are only 2 stat power connector on the board while this new rev can support up to 6 stat. So，what's the good solution for the power supply for those HDDs? How to power them on and off at the same time with the board in a simple way? Thanks for everyone's opinion.

I am considering to run H2 with regular ATX power which has likely 4 SATA power connectors. The case to run 6 drives for reference is just arrived and preparing to build up, we could share the progress next week if everything goes well.

mad_ady · Unread post by **mad_ady** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:41 pm

I wonder how you'll hook up the ATX PSU to the H2. Good luck!

RomaT · Unread post by **RomaT** » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am

if you do not use +12V (3.5" HDD) on the HDD power connectors on the board, then you can immediately connect +12V, without any alterations.
if you are going to use in the power connectors on the board of hard drives +12V (3.5" HDD), that
Very easy, just +12V connect after 12V converter DC-DC, eliminating it from the circuit.
The remaining converters (+5 and +3.3) are already with +12V
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impromptu:
Delete L19, R368, PC33
bridge +VBATA with +12V_RUN,
PC33 bridging.

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fvolk · Unread post by **fvolk** » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:31 am

tobetter wrote: ↑ The case to run 6 drives for reference is just arrived and preparing to build up, we could share the progress next week if everything goes well.

Maybe you can also give an estimate how much power is needed for 6x 2.5" disks?
(2.5" second-hand disks are cheaply available due to laptops being upgraded with SSDs)

RomaT · Unread post by **RomaT** » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:40 am

The amperage consumption is written on the disc label.
For example 0.7A (700mA) x 6 = 4.2 A (at 5V circuit) = 21Watts
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tobetter · Unread post by **tobetter** » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:41 pm

FYI, the story of building 6 bay NAS is started and will keep updated whenever having progress until next 12/June.
viewtopic.php?f=172&t=35309

back2future · Unread post by **back2future** » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:45 pm

It is interesting having an external accessible main current sensor for a 6-10 amp range in 2020 and one power-switched net phy above 1Gbps for a H2 Rev-X.
The H2 is strong for energy saving in unpredictable idling profiles (e.g. local servers), capable RAM adjustment (does not matter if DDR4 or DDR5 that much) and good-value performance. Fair deal for longterm usage.

6ixxer · Unread post by **6ixxer** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:34 am

odroid wrote: ↑
Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm
We will start selling and shipping the ODROID-H2 Rev B from June 26th if everything goes well.

Soooo, are things "going well"?

mad_ady · Unread post by **mad_ady** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:12 pm

Yes, the announcement has been made since yesterday on the "Sold Out" thread.

m0thman · Unread post by **m0thman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:38 pm

Does anybody know where to order this IOCrest IO-M2F9230-4IR RAID controller? I can not find it in any online store.

tobetter · Unread post by **tobetter** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:57 pm

m0thman wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:38 pm
Does anybody know where to order this IOCrest IO-M2F9230-4IR RAID controller? I can not find it in any online store.

Are you looking for 9235 or 9230? 9235 looks like for a desktop PCI-e.

If it's 9235, please refer the link and make sure the controller 88SE9235 if you want to purchase from another store.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32894260145.html

There is another one with 88SE9215 that looks same except M.2 pinout and the controller which is been tested while building 6 Bay NAS is 88SE9235. You will also need a length extension in order to place the card to ODROID-H2. We've tested with this.
https://www.moddiy.com/products/m.2-NGF ... ck%29.html

m0thman · Unread post by **m0thman** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:58 am

tobetter wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:57 pm
Are you looking for 9235 or 9230? …

I’m looking for this one. Looks like it supports hardware raid
http://www.iocrest.com/en/product_details621.html

puremind · Unread post by **puremind** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:05 am

I'd still want to know if the RAID version of the controller behaves better than the H2 over software RAID... with the combo of RAID types benchmarked 1,0,10 (and 5 only for sw as the controller doesn't support)...

tmihai20 · Unread post by **tmihai20** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:00 pm

I just got mine yesterday from AmeriDroid. I can confirm that revision B with the latest BIOS works with Zeppelin ZE-SD4-8G2400 (one DDR4 8 GB module). Please add it to the list of working RAM modules (in case people in Romania want to purchase their RAM locally like I did). I installed OpenMediaVault on it, did a few configs, it is working well.

PS: I am using it with an Intel 760P series M.2 NVME SSD (256 GB in size). I got a good deal on it and mostly have Intel SSDs at home (SATA and NVME now).

Unread post by **odroid** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:06 am

@tmihai20,
I've added it to the working RAM list. Thanks,
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/hardw ... am_modules

tmihai20 · Unread post by **tmihai20** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:25 pm

My H2 has not been released into the wild yet, but initial tests were good. If I find anything about that RAM module, I will let you know.

PS: please correct my username there, there is a rogue M on the loose

Unread post by **odroid** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:28 am

Sorry. "M" has been removed.

SuperMMX · Unread post by **SuperMMX** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:00 am

I can confirm that Crucial CT16G4SFD824A (single 16G) also works, and CT2K16G4SFD824A works with single module.

aw_ · Unread post by **aw_** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:52 am

The 2x4GB and 2x8GB of this one are already listed, the 2x16GB also works well:

G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB (2 x 16GB) PC4-19200 F4-2400C16D-32GRS 16-16-16-39

Unread post by **odroid** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:50 am

Thank you guys! I've updated.