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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Will there be an Android TV image available for this board?
I am not concerned about netflix/amazon HD/4k licencing, i use the apps on my tv for those, in my case i want a rooted android tv as media center with gigabit lan and usb 3.0 hdds attached to share via samba.
Any prospects i can make use of this board like that in the near-ish future?

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Unread post by rooted » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:59 pm

I don't see it happening officially, but perhaps we will see a port.

They have their hands full with Pie currently.

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:08 pm

and what are the prospects for unofficial 3rd party roms (e.g. from fraktabs etc), id like to have some kind of box soon because i desperately need to get my external usb 3.0 drive into (gigabit)lan, i guess getting a generic s905x2 box is a safer bet then :/

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Unread post by rooted » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:14 pm

Well we have a member who does a LineageOS ATV build for the XU4 and I believe he has an N2, I don't know if he will be doing a build or not.

Other than him I don't know if anyone else doing Android builds for Odroid devices.

Unless you need 4K the XU4 works great with LineageOS ATV.

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:49 pm

Thank your for your quick response, i do happen to need 4k though.
The people who own a N2 right now got is as engineering sample and currently there is no way to ordner one for normal customers or do i get this wrong?

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Unread post by rooted » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:54 pm

Until March correct. We all have pre-launch devices that may be a bit different than the production model.

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Unread post by tobetter » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:21 pm

For Android TV, HK internally has some different ideas that it's worth support or not since Android on ODROID itself works like a TV already for many users. Many Android TV gives a different UX but if there is less support for Android TV on ODROID is likely identical to generic Android. We are thinking of trying to build the Android TV but it would be a bit a low priority at least not before the end of March since we do have many tasks to figure out to make ODROID be stable and support generic features.

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:43 pm

I see, if there is an opportunity for me to buy an N2 and someone needs a tester for an ATV build im happy to help!

p.s. as for "Android on ODROID itself works like a TV already", for my scenario it isnt since there are a lot of android TV apps that i have become reliant on for my home multimedia use and as far as i know Android TV Pie is viable and growing os in 2019 (and in my case im not depending on widevine lvl 1).

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Unread post by tobetter » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:39 pm

boxz0rd40k wrote:
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I see, if there is an opportunity for me to buy an N2 and someone needs a tester for an ATV build im happy to help!

p.s. as for "Android on ODROID itself works like a TV already", for my scenario it isnt since there are a lot of android TV apps that i have become reliant on for my home multimedia use and as far as i know Android TV Pie is viable and growing os in 2019 (and in my case im not depending on widevine lvl 1).
Oh...I see...Would you mind let me know what are your use case and apps what you are willing to use on ATV? Is there any use of TV tuner what you are willing to do?

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Unread post by rooted » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:11 pm

I use an ATSC tuner tobetter. You are interested in doing a ATV build?

I love my TV which has ATV built in but they stopped supporting it since LeEco pulled out of the US market.

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Unread post by tobetter » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:21 pm

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I use an ATSC tuner tobetter. You are interested in doing a ATV build?

I love my TV which has ATV built in but they stopped supporting it since LeEco pulled out of the US market.
LeEco is the vendor of your 4k TV in the living room if I remember correctly. :) I am not sure the value of running ATV on ODROID and have a bit of concerning more support rather than generic Android.

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I use an ATSC tuner tobetter. You are interested in doing a ATV build?

I love my TV which has ATV built in but they stopped supporting it since LeEco pulled out of the US market.
LeEco is the vendor of your 4k TV in the living room if I remember correctly. :) I am not sure the value of running ATV on ODROID and have a bit of concerning more support rather than generic Android.
LeEco makes great TVs, the SoC (Mstar 6a938) inside it is more powerful than any other ATV (actual TV). Their software support was always lacking a bit.

I wish there was a way to do a hybrid ATV + Android build that you could switch interfaces since ATV is limited in some ways. I understand why you are hesitant about it.

Using Android with a remote (even with air mouse) is a pain on TVs, ATV is nice with a regular remote and makes a lot more sense on a TV.

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Unread post by tobetter » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:56 pm

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Using Android with a remote (even with air mouse) is a pain on TVs, ATV is nice with a regular remote and makes a lot more sense on a TV.
This makes sense and that's the major reason for one who wants ATV. :) Let's see...after releasing regular Android if we can try to build it.

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Unread post by voodik » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:58 pm

I also started investigating N2 source to make LineageOS port for it. After porting regular Android i will try to build ATV version))
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Unread post by rooted » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:29 pm

voodik wrote:I also started investigating N2 source to make LineageOS port for it. After porting regular Android i will try to build ATV version))
Sounds good voodik Image

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:52 pm

tobetter wrote:
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Oh...I see...Would you mind let me know what are your use case and apps what you are willing to use on ATV? Is there any use of TV tuner what you are willing to do?
Some of the ATV apps i am using beside videostreaming apps are: NordVPN ATV app, Digdroid Emulator Frontend for ATV and Kodi.
If you are interessted in testing of "Live TV" tuner apps of some sort, id be happy to test them eventhough i mostly use national (german) and international (BBC/PBS) public television apps for video on demand and live tv streaming.
Further do i want to use SAMBADROID (or similar), to share the external USB 3.0 HDD that id like to attach to the ONDROID N2.
The HDD contains my UHD HDR Blu-ray ISOs that require very high transfer rates to 1. play without stutter/caching and 2. be conviniently transfered onto the HDD via LAN from the PC where i rip my Blu-rays.
So in this Case the ONDROID N2 would be the minimalistic center of a little 4K hometheatre wich would be very attractive because beside some S905x2 boxes there are few afforable and open solutions that can handle the playback of huge uncompressed 4K blu-ray isos reliably + offer USB 3.0 and gigabitlan.
Additionally i am using ATV for Videogame Emulators like RetroArch etc therefore i have a collection of controllers that i can test with the box, (Dualshock 4, 8bitdo SFC30 pro, 8bitdo SFC30, Xiaomi Bluetooth Controller).
The Remote id like to use would be the "MINIX NEO A3" for Android + my Samsung TV remote (+ i have a collection of bluetooth keyboards that i could test).
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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:57 pm

I dont know how reliable any of this is but according to... google, Android TV will be a viable and growing plattform in the comming years :)

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/12/ ... share.aspx

https://www.openpr.com/news/1610932/Glo ... Sharp.html

Besides, the N2 would be kind of the strongest ATV box out there right now specwise, competing with the nvidia shield at less than half the price, pretty attractive imho.

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:19 pm

voodik wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:58 pm
I also started investigating N2 source to make LineageOS port for it. After porting regular Android i will try to build ATV version))
Hey voodik,

can you allready tell if it will be possible to play videos in 4k@60p 10Bit color with your build?

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Unread post by rooted » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:37 am

boxz0rd40k wrote:
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I also started investigating N2 source to make LineageOS port for it. After porting regular Android i will try to build ATV version))
Hey voodik,

can you allready tell if it will be possible to play videos in 4k@60p 10Bit color with your build?
Yes, it's not up to the build it's the VPU.

As long as hardware acceleration works it will work.

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Unread post by tobetter » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:44 am

According to the datasheet of S922X, it can support HDR10 and have been tested a couple of video clips and Youtube with HDR display. When they are tested with LG HDR display, it shows an HDR mark on the right top corner for a couple of seconds.

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Unread post by rooted » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:43 am

10bit color and HDR10 are different but the N2 supports both.

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Unread post by tobetter » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:52 am

rooted wrote:10bit color and HDR10 are different but the N2 supports both.
True, don't know why couple of lines are disappeared from my last reply.

10bit support can be presented as "Deep color" on the Android of ODROID-N2 and my vision does not work with it. ;)

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:57 am

I see, its probably no general problem anyway i am just asking because i made the experience that the custom rom i am using for the s905x2 did not offer 10bit in the options (with the same cable i use with my mibox3 where i do have 10bit 420 as option), and i am a bit frustrated about the situation where i have one box with nice hardware (s905x2) and rooted but buggy makeshift ATV and the MiBox3 that has a reasobably functioning ATV (latest beta even has auto framerate switching) but is not rootable (+no usb3.0/gigabitlan). Id rather ditch them both for one box that does the job :X

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Unread post by rooted » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Well if you need support for widevine drm you will need to look elsewhere.

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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:37 pm

rooted wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm
Well if you need support for widevine drm you will need to look elsewhere.
i dont, i can use netflix etc on my TVs OS (no need to tell my opinion about not beeing allowed to watch the service i pay for on any device i want to)

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Unread post by rooted » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:24 pm

boxz0rd40k wrote:
rooted wrote:
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Well if you need support for widevine drm you will need to look elsewhere.
i dont, i can use netflix etc on my TVs OS (no need to tell my opinion about not beeing allowed to watch the service i pay for on any device i want to)
Agreed, it's BS.

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Unread post by matthewsaywell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:21 pm

you can use Google App For Android Tv works quite well I'm using this for a very long time now.

you can download the apk here: https://androidcrew.com/app/com.google. ... youtube.tv
Looking for any other good recommendations?
thanks
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Unread post by boxz0rd40k » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:26 am

matthewsaywell wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:21 pm
you can use Google App For Android Tv works quite well I'm using this for a very long time now.
Looking for any other good recommendations?
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Unread post by redbird » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:45 am

An ATV option would be a strong selling point for HK and the N2 -- both to individuals and operators.
https://9to5google.com/2019/03/28/andro ... or-growth/

I'm hopeful Android TV on N2 (amlogic) won't have the gpu idiosyncrasies that lineage 14.1/15.1 + ATV had on the XU4 (exynos) with Youtube.
I think in 15.1 we had to turn off certain hardware accelerated decoding so Youtube would work properly making 14.1 the better more stable option for me personally.

Don't get me wrong, the ATV work on the XU4 was awesome (very appreciative), but I think a collaborative effort could make the N2 even better!

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Unread post by hungphutho » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:14 am

I have completed the ATV version, if someone is interested I will share.
ATV for N2
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Unread post by rooted » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:28 am

Very nice

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Unread post by rooted » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:24 am

hungphutho wrote:I have completed the ATV version, if someone is interested I will share.
ATV for N2
https://youtu.be/7U6-3JHwD5g Part 1
https://youtu.be/_3uueambbmQ Part 2
Please do make it available.

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Unread post by hungphutho » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:14 pm

rooted wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:24 am
hungphutho wrote:I have completed the ATV version, if someone is interested I will share.
ATV for N2
https://youtu.be/7U6-3JHwD5g Part 1
https://youtu.be/_3uueambbmQ Part 2
Please do make it available.
I posted here viewtopic.php?f=178&t=35390
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