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Unread postby odroid » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:56 pm

The ODROID-H2, our first x86 based platform has been launched successfully yesterday.
Thank you so much to all ODROID fans. All your orders will be shipped out early next week sequentially.

We have very SMALL problem now. We have sold out all our first production lot in 24 hours. We are so sorry for that.
In fact, we conservatively prepared only 2,000pcs of H2 boards because we could not predict this situation.

We are contacting Intel for the lead time of the Gemini Lake processor.
Due to Intel's serious supplying issue these days, they can supply the Gemini Lake SoC in February or March 2019. WHAT? REALLY!!
They also mentioned that they can give us a firm delivery schedule in January.
It means Hardkernel can't tell you when we can resume selling the ODROID-H2 again.

We will keep calling and pushing Intel people to secure the SoC in near future.
We are really sorry for those who could not buy in the first production batch.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:08 pm

Didn't have long to make a decision. Congratulations on the success though.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby odroid » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:21 pm

We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development. :twisted:
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby mad_ady » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:23 pm

We are so sorry for that.

As a business man you should be happy, especially since the community had mixed feelings about going x86. Economics classes tell you that zero stocks are the best kinds of stocks :)
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby brad » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:16 pm

odroid wrote:We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development. :twisted:


I look forward to more details on the N2 :)
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby Sentilix » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:28 pm

Look at the bright side: you just saw there was a market for the H2. Imagine the situation where you still had 1.999 boards left on stock at this time :-D

Don't hurry with the N2; I can't buy more boards until next year :-)
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby speculatrix » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:41 pm

Damn! Waited just too long.

Any way for those of us who are keen - indeed, desperate - to get one of these to reserve one for the next batch?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby nugu53 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:29 pm

N1 - EOL
N2 - NDA
H2 - out of stock
I have a hunch that XU4 and C2 will sell very well this Christmas. :D
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tkaiser » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:59 pm

nugu53 wrote:N2 - NDA


Is this what you deduce from @odroid saying above 'We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development'? They need all their lawyers working together to end an NDA situation? :D
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby YamashitaRen » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:54 pm

odroid wrote:Due to Intel's serious supplying issue these days, they can supply the Gemini Lake SoC in February or March 2019. WHAT? REALLY!!
They also mentioned that they can give us a firm delivery schedule in January.
It means Hardkernel can't tell you when we can resume selling the ODROID-H2 again.

Please make use of this time to think about a solution for the H2 CEC issue !
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby nugu53 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:02 am

tkaiser wrote:
nugu53 wrote:N2 - NDA


Is this what you deduce from @odroid saying above 'We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development'? They need all their lawyers working together to end an NDA situation? :D

Since their engineers have some spare time till March 2019:
Don't worry, [ARM SoC provider]! All our engineers are working together to review your NDA.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby fvolk » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:50 am

Hardkernel/Odroid H2 is making news:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13629/sh ... y-pc-maker
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby The_Ponderer » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:06 am

So if i preordered this morning on ameridroid.com im in the clear?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby coder543 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:27 am

The H2 does look really nice. I think AMD's Ryzen-based Embedded V1202B / Athlon 200GE would not have these supply issues, and I like AMD better anyways... but hopefully Intel will be able to provide more supply sooner than they predicted!
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby back2future » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:41 am

odroid wrote:We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development. :twisted:


Just for interest and because that was/is a major point in development on N2 (and H2 to some point):
What is average RAM size people ordered with these 2000 boards (my guess would be above 4GB and below 16GB, but surprise me)?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby antro82 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:47 am

The_Ponderer wrote:So if i preordered this morning on ameridroid.com im in the clear?


I was wondering the same, I bought it last night on Ameridroid :)
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:55 am

back2future wrote:
odroid wrote:We have to gather all of our resources to expedite the N2 development. :twisted:


Just for interest and because that was/is a major point in development on N2 (and H2 to some point):
What is average RAM size people ordered with these 2000 boards (my guess would be above 4GB and below 16GB, but surprise me)?
Thx
I think 8 GB will be average, that would be enough for most things.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby ryad » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:39 pm

Congratulations on the success!
But very unfortunate that the availability is unclear for possibly months. I was too late again, just as with the C2...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tmihai20 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:40 pm

Seriously? 2000 units sold already??? I wanted to place an order after getting my paycheck in about one week... This is utterly unexpected, especially since there were enough people that said they will not order one. I may have convinced a few to order, I guess...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby Summerguy » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:42 am

Can’t I order one now and receive it later?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby msperl » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:26 pm

I just checked today and i am a bit disappointed about the prospect of not being able to order one soon.

I am happy about the price point though...

As a note/ideas: as you have got time at hand maybe you can review the board specs a bit while we wait and update the specs.

What could be reviewed/changed?

My wish list:
  • networking:
    • 2.5ghz network (say Realtek8125) - it would help with storage networks/Ceph/...
    • other people would probably ask for different chipsets than Realtek
  • allow 12v as power input as well not 14-20V (maybe via a separate connector?)
  • add-on usb serial board that could get directly attached to the gpio connector and would also allow control over power on/off and reset (plus tested bios support for management over serial alone) - this would be nice for managing a cluster of nodes - poor mans ipmi...

I guess the list can easily get longer with ideas from other people...

I wonder if any of this could be possible and make the board more interesting - just some food for thought...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:34 pm

The design is finalized currently.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby mad_ady » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:19 pm

I doubt HK can make any changes to the bios. I guess it's a binary blob on a chip somewhere. Also serial would work after kernel boots - you wouldn't have the flexibility of u-boot, unless maybe if grub/coreboot supports serial.
Also serial is serial, not ipmi. You'd need extra signals for power management.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby Catscrash » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:07 am

Is there a way to be notified as soon as it's orderable again? Even better - could we pre-order? That way I can't be too late again next time...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rutgervh » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:19 am

I would also like to preorder some. Where can I preorder?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby odroid » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:31 am

Until we get a firm CPU delivery schedule from Intel, we can't tell you when we resume selling again.
So we can't accept any preorder at this moment.
We will inform the availability on this thread when it is ready.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby jasonhurd » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:31 am

I ran into this article today about Intel's delays and hence Hardkernel's woes.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13629/short-supply-of-intels-gemini-lake-confirmed-by-pc-maker
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby PigLover » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:18 am

Very disappointing. I was looking forward to picking up 5(ish) of these and trying a small Proxmox cluster, and another 5 for k8s.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby Ameridroid » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:21 am

The_Ponderer wrote:So if i preordered this morning on ameridroid.com im in the clear?


Yes. We purchased an allocation from HK, and we sold that allocation to our preorder customers. As soon as they arrive, they will be leaving the same day to get to you.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby fvolk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:50 am

PigLover wrote:small Proxmox cluster, and another 5 for k8s.


Hmm.. that's an interesting point to reflect on.
What does a H2 based node cost now, how much power does it draw (running cost) and what computational power does it have?
So... good for cluster or not?
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tmihai20 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:54 am

Lets keep this topic about real announcements about H2. I do not want to check this topic every time there is a new post [emoji16]

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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby telamohn » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:18 am

Aw man such a disappointment, was also waiting for paycheck, thought i would have a chance to grab one, Anyone in europe mayhap bought 1 to many? I'm interested in buying!
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby ASword » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:41 am

Damn, I was just thinking about getting myself an H2 xmas present! :( Ah well, maybe odroid will have something to say about the N2 before long...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby Ameridroid » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:34 am

antro82 wrote:
The_Ponderer wrote:So if i preordered this morning on ameridroid.com im in the clear?


I was wondering the same, I bought it last night on Ameridroid :)


We were sold out as well from the first day. Once the H2s arrive at ameriDroid we will starting shipping out the backordered H2s.

If you PM me your order number I can check the status if you ordered from us.

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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby antro82 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:23 pm

Ameridroid wrote:
antro82 wrote:
The_Ponderer wrote:So if i preordered this morning on ameridroid.com im in the clear?


I was wondering the same, I bought it last night on Ameridroid :)


We were sold out as well from the first day. Once the H2s arrive at ameriDroid we will starting shipping out the backordered H2s.

If you PM me your order number I can check the status if you ordered from us.

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I think my user is not allowed to PM here, but I will sent it by email.
As I bought it to deliver to Brazil I've made 2 orders:
- One with only H2
- Other one with H2 accessories
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby VinceB » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:16 pm

GM, I ordered my H2 and received an order number. Am I going to get one of the first 2000? TNXVince
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tmihai20 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:08 am

Sadly someone is selling them on eBay at an inflated price :( You guys at HardKernel should somehow make sure this does not happen anymore.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:04 am

tmihai20 wrote:Sadly someone is selling them on eBay at an inflated price :( You guys at HardKernel should somehow make sure this does not happen anymore.
Not possible, they sell dozens of devices to the same person all the time.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby mad_ady » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:09 am

@tmihai20 has been living under communism for too long :P
In the free market there is no way to prevent somebody taking your stuff and selling it for higher profit. It's called "business"
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tmihai20 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:17 am

mad_ady wrote:@tmihai20 has been living under communism for too long [emoji14]
In the free market there is no way to prevent somebody taking your stuff and selling it for higher profit. It's called "business"
Yes, I have lived enough :P. I am just pissed off I did not order one. Like really pissed off. I just wanted to order one after salary day, which is at the end of the month. I am also just venting some of that irritation. 3 months can pass easily enough.

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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:25 am

tmihai20 wrote:
mad_ady wrote:@tmihai20 has been living under communism for too long [emoji14]
In the free market there is no way to prevent somebody taking your stuff and selling it for higher profit. It's called "business"
Yes, I have lived enough :P. I am just pissed off I did not order one. Like really pissed off. I just wanted to order one after salary day, which is at the end of the month. I am also just venting some of that irritation. 3 months can pass easily enough.

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I would say no one could have foreseen they would sell out in a day but apparently that eBay seller did.

I wonder why they thought it was a good idea to buy a lot?

*edit*
After seeing the price on their Odroid Go ($60) I know why, they watched the Go sell out the first time far exceeding demand and gambled it would happen here also.

*edit 2*
Perhaps it would be a good idea for Hardkernel to place a limit of 5 devices on first run products.

This would allow for more customers to get their hands on the devices vs resellers. It's good business attempting to prevent unwanted markup of your products.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby cdu13a » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:05 am

Just putting a temporary limit for the first couple days of a new product would be beneficial, and not to inconvenient for anybody needing to place a larger order.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby rooted » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:47 am

cdu13a wrote:Just putting a temporary limit for the first couple days of a new product would be beneficial, and not to inconvenient for anybody needing to place a larger order.


I hate seeing buying power affect availability and price. Example being the way bitcoin affected GPU prices for the past couple of years.

Even a temporary limit would be much better than nothing. I understand from one viewpoint Hardkernel sold all the devices which is good, but I think all devices would have sold even with a limit.

Another person/company has full control of H2 stock and are charging accordingly. This is bad for Hardkernel business. Of course the person/company is free to do this and is simply taking advantage of a situation and making money, good business for them. We find ourselves smack in the middle of the Kobayashi Maru.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby PigLover » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:08 am

I’d reccomend the @tmihai20 (or the moderators) delete the link to the eBay seller. Having the link in the forum just advertises for them.
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby odroid » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:23 am

PigLover wrote:I’d reccomend the @tmihai20 (or the moderators) delete the link to the eBay seller. Having the link in the forum just advertises for them.

I've removed. :(
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby venkatbo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:57 am

This kind of huge bulk ordering, where HK doesn't get paid for its hard work, may be an issue in the future too :-(

One option to be fair to all is maybe, during say the 1st 3 days of a new product release, give forum members a chance to purchase, say 1 or 2 units. This community that supports HK, can buy the units if they wish. Since the purchase quantity is low, it is not economical for folks to create bogus forum accts, as the S/H costs will be high if someone tries to abuse the process. After those 3 days, HK can open it up for general sale. That way HK wouldn't be deprived of early good sales.

This may minimize profiteers, keep community happy, and allow for HK to sell the remainder units very quickly. This ways, no few deep-pocketed entities can clear the entire stock like this... It is very likely, even in early 2019, given Intel's low-interest to produce huge #s of these low-margin SOCs, we will see a repeat of this, since the H2 is so popular...

Just a thought...
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Re: Sold Out

Unread postby tmihai20 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:35 pm

Sorry about the link, guys. I am not advertising him/her/they at all. I am just pointing out an issue. A limit to 5 or 10 devices on first run or even on new releases would be beneficial. I do understand HardKernel gets their money by selling all their items, but without any limits profiteers can arise. I guess I must be lucky to have ordered oDroid Go at launch. I found the link on Reddit and people do not understand why I am upset.

I will let HardKernel hard-working people to figure out a solution for the next batch. I think they know that things like this will happen again. I think that a purchase limit for the first days or maybe week would be good. Reserving units for forum members is not good, there are a lot of members and not all of them would buy one. I am not even considering that implementing this is difficult (I am using a different email address for the forum than the one used for purchases).
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