C1 Sold Out

Post by **odroid** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:44 pm

Because of sudden big orders recently, we have no inventory of the C1 at this moment.
As far as I know our distributors also have very limited quantitty now.

Next production is planned in early August due to the long term delivery of a few key components.
Sorry for the inconvenience caused. We couldn't predict this situation.

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Update!
C1+ is ready to ship!
https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c1/

karlkloss · Post by **karlkloss** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:00 pm

Cool.
I'll wait till the prices on ebay go through the roof, and then I'll sell my C1s.
When they're back again, I'll rebuy them.

mikronauts · Post by **mikronauts** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:43 am

Good thing I have enough for my current uses... and a few spares

hokoon · Post by **hokoon** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:24 am

planning to order some more, and it's gone...

stmicro · Post by **stmicro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:58 am

Too bad. I need several C1 boards now for my project.
Btw..... any hardware upgrade plan even minor things?

Post by **odroid** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:15 am

stmicro wrote:any hardware upgrade plan even minor things?

We are considering some minor hardware updates.
- Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D.
- Improved SD card compatibility
- CEC function regardless of the RTC backup battery installation
- Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack
- Expose I2S signals for external audio DAC

johnbeetem · Post by **johnbeetem** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:42 pm

odroid wrote:We are considering some minor hardware updates.
- Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D.
- Improved SD card compatibility
- CEC function without RTC backup battery
- Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack
- Expose I2S signals for external audio DAC

Those are great ideas, especially HDMI Type A. I'd recommend shorting the HDMI shell to circuit ground by default. A lot of people had problems with it floating.

Is 2 GB DRAM feasible?

Post by **odroid** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:01 pm

johnbeetem wrote: Those are great ideas, especially HDMI Type A. I'd recommend shorting the HDMI shell to circuit ground by default. A lot of people had problems with it floating.
Is 2 GB DRAM feasible?

Ground and Shield will be isolated via 1MOhm. But many Type-A to Type-A HDMI cables have proper ground/shield connection.
No.. 2GB RAM is not feasible at this moment.

hokoon · Post by **hokoon** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:32 pm

odroid wrote:
stmicro wrote:any hardware upgrade plan even minor things?
We are considering some minor hardware updates.
- Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D.
- Improved SD card compatibility
- CEC function without RTC backup battery
- Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack
- Expose I2S signals for external audio DAC

Nice! Hat from B+ will make C-1 unbeatable.

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:27 pm

odroid wrote:
stmicro wrote:any hardware upgrade plan even minor things?
We are considering some minor hardware updates.
- Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D.
- Improved SD card compatibility
- CEC function without RTC backup battery
- Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack
- Expose I2S signals for external audio DAC

I would definitely buy another with these worthwhile upgrades, even if I don't need it

tokazio · Post by **tokazio** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:30 pm

power on/off functions please!!

Demetris · Post by **Demetris** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:20 am

I really hope we can get an Exynos 7420 board in the near future :p
Regards

adbensi · Post by **adbensi** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:40 pm

1-Turn on and off by the source is not interesting, may be power key with holes to extend it can be an interesting implementation.
2-There is a drawback if boot from EMMC and forget a sd. When restart the things have complicated. Having a jumper to boot selection or two SD slots can be an implementation that the community would use.
3-with time of use the power connector starts to fail. Connect or remove something from the usb resets the board. Again, holes in the board to insert a more robust connector or wire can be an interesting implementation.
4-GrowUp the price may be an option. Not all make use of features such as infrared, USB OTG, spdif, EMMC. Another version of the same board without these components can make possible to keep the price, and competitiveness, marketing, first ranking in any list of boards worldwide. ODROID U3 is better than C1, but which one you sold more?

Best regards

mikronauts · Post by **mikronauts** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:27 am

Sounds great!

PCB real estate and routing permitting, bring out more I/O's to an additional header.

odroid wrote:
stmicro wrote:any hardware upgrade plan even minor things?
We are considering some minor hardware updates.
- Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D.
- Improved SD card compatibility
- CEC function regardless of the RTC backup battery installation
- Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack
- Expose I2S signals for external audio DAC

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:30 pm

Hi,

all in all this sounds like you are going to implement some very useful features.

Nevertheless I have some notes/questions:

odroid wrote: - Change the HDMI connector to Type-A from Type-D

Very good. But this means that the cut-out in the case will not fit anymore. What about that? New case? Will this be the only thing, that will not fit case after revision?

odroid wrote: - Power path from USB OTG port as well as DC-Jack

Hm, for some reason I'd prefere a jumper or 0805 pads here. And if I remember correctly, the current limit for the USB ports is 2x 1A. So in worst case you'd have ~2,5A. This could be quite too much for the USB OTG, if one will power his board there...

odroid wrote: Ground and Shield will be isolated via 1MOhm.

Why? Reading through this forum I think this insulation is one cause of display problems. Of course you are right, that many Typ-A cables have a better grounding and shield connection. But I would prefere a jumper or at least additional 0805 pads in parallel to the 1M resistor to be able to bypass it, too.

adbensi wrote: 1-Turn on and off by the source is not interesting, may be power key with holes to extend it can be an interesting implementation.
2-There is a drawback if boot from EMMC and forget a sd. When restart the things have complicated. Having a jumper to boot selection or two SD slots can be an implementation that the community would use.
3-with time of use the power connector starts to fail. Connect or remove something from the usb resets the board. Again, holes in the board to insert a more robust connector or wire can be an interesting implementation.
4-GrowUp the price may be an option. Not all make use of features such as infrared, USB OTG, spdif, EMMC. Another version of the same board without these components can make possible to keep the price, and competitiveness, marketing, first ranking in any list of boards worldwide. ODROID U3 is better than C1, but which one you sold more?

Very unstable argumentation, because you mainly describe your personal opinion/situation. But it is one main feature and a key criteria if this tiny toys, that they offer a lot, but everybody can choose, what he needs. It will be completely counter-useful, if HK would dump things like IR, USB OTG, etc, only because some people do not use them. I USE IR, but I don't use EMMC. So what?! Others do!
On the other hand the new HDMI connector could reduce costs, too, because it is much mor common and much cheaper to get.

BTW: where do you read, that the price will be higher?! For what? Most changes do not require new components, or if they do, they are in the range of a few cents!

As quoted here:
http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f ... ink#p95419
the heatsink will not fit anymore. Where does this information come from? It is mentioned nowhere else, or is it? From my pov, the planned changes will not require a new heatsink design.

One additional idea: I'd like an "intelligent" PSU IC. I loved it from my Cubieboard to be able to read out voltage and currents. But I think this will be a much to big and complicated change. Just an idea...

Greetings

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:32 pm

@Jojo

odroid said the board would be more expensive somewhere on the forum, he didn't say how much. It could be a few cents or a few dollars.

If you want a smart power supply why not get the odroid smart power? I have the supply and it's quite nice (but expensive).

With a different board layout a new case will be needed, odroid said the board would be larger.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:40 pm

rooted wrote:@Jojo
odroid said the board would be more expensive somewhere on the forum, he didn't say how much. It could be a few cents or a few dollars.

Yep,... this "somewhere" was basically my question about that. I would have expected to read that here. But we will just have to sit down and wait for the things to come...

rooted wrote:@Jojo
If you want a smart power supply why not get the odroid smart power? I have the supply and it's quite nice (but expensive).

This is not comparably with the solution on the Cubieboard. Of course it is quite easy to buy an additional device, that reads the electrical values. But being able to read them directly in user space with programs, scripts, etc. via I2C, SPI, etc. is a completely different thing.

rooted wrote:@Jojo
With a different board layout a new case will be needed, odroid said the board would be larger.

Why that?! Not neccessarily. Ok, when they use other connectors (like for HDMI), it is obvious, that those cut-outs won't fit for the old case. But all other changes mentioned here should usually just require signal-reroutings and should NOT require a different size of the board itself. Of course this depends on the skills of the layouter.

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:17 am

Maybe I imagined the larger PCB.

The Smart Power can be read by user space, not ideal perhaps but still an option.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:17 pm

Hi,

in the meantime I have found, that HK mentioned the higher price and the incompatibility of both case (clearly) and heatsink directly on their C1 website (bold red text).

Nevertheless I'd like to know the reasons for both higher price and incompatibel heatsink, because as described above, both things do not make sense to me...

Greetings

indium · Post by **indium** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:01 am

Jojo wrote:Hi,

in the meantime I have found, that HK mentioned the higher price and the incompatibility of both case (clearly) and heatsink directly on their C1 website (bold red text ).

Nevertheless I'd like to know the reasons for both higher price and incompatibel heatsink, because as described above, both things do not make sense to me... .

Greetings

it's really silly - to say that. what doesn't make sense to you, may do for them. but the vendor is them not you. it was obvious after the news about c1 being sold out, that its price will be higher at the next revision, even without their notification about that, because that price of 35$ was really low, for such a board, have you encountered anything similar at even close price? only rpi2 is at the same price, but its hardware capability is way weaker. so, those hk guys just decided that it will be pretty fair, to up the price somewhat. despite the fact that for me as a potential buyer this hardly may be exciting, still, it's hardly to argue that this move is pretty understandable. the same is for pcb layout and compatibility with the previous revisions - they do as they want and it's their right to do that, of course they have rational reasons to make such changes, we as customers may exhibit our relations to all those thing only one way - buying or not buying. all this ranting with bunch of indicative smile-icons seem not very appropriate, and this is for me, which isn't on that side, it may be only imagined how irritating this may look to guys who are in the hk.))) seriously, whether you think that your ranting will trigger some decision at hk, and they will run to redefine their decisions? it's rather silly.
but from the other hand it's somewhat dissapointing that the future plans "are not discussed" as was outlined, yeah, it is your right to discuss inside your plans and future boards, but to give some insights for the publics, whether it's such a secret? for example i questioned about possible update of odroid-u3, after this board will be discontinued due to the retirement of the ddr2 pop memory. it's really interesting, will hk be making a similar board in future, something like u4. but since 28 june or something this questions still is even not answered. at all. maybe it's because guys supposed to answer just didn't get anything from my ugly english. i don't know.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:32 am

@indium
*yawn*

Yep, you are right. (At this point just imagine some text that points out to your immature way to discuss. But then I decided that it would be a waste of time to try to write a polite answer to someone who is obviousely not willing to understand the difference between personal subjective opinion and inappropriate, offensive girly-dirty-talk.)

P.S. 1: smilies have been removed... exclusively for you

!
P.S. 2: I don't let you trigger me to any further reactions about that here, because it will just not belong here.

Post by **mdrjr** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:52 am

Heatsink change was required to add another pin header for the I2S pins.

Several changes was made to the PCB design and the price raise is just a reflection of the market raising parts price.
Nothing special here.
There are slightly more components on new board as well.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:23 pm

mdrjr wrote:Heatsink change was required to add another pin header for the I2S pins.

Several changes was made to the PCB design and the price raise is just a reflection of the market raising parts price.
Nothing special here.
There are slightly more components on new board as well.

Thank you, this sounds reasonable! Lets see, when it will be available in Germany...

Greetings!

Post by **odroid** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:11 pm

We will have some engineering samples in the middle of next week.
We will take a few pictures and share it on this thread.

i_reede@amerisys.com · Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:33 pm

I think we should be real appreciative of hk listening to us, the end users... rather than forcing us to take more of the same, they are taking the bull by the horns, making hard decisions and addressing the issues some of us raised. For one, I have been giving feedback about how flimsy the really small connectors are... well now they say they are fixing that... we should all be really happy. Thanks hk. Now the question is, can we pre-order? I'd like to get in line, maybe the new and improved C1 can become a production component here now. I like hk's list of proposed improvements. Haven't seen it, but I'm hoping, if not too late, we will see high-speed I/O possibilities. That would make this board competitive to many bare micro-controllers.

wrxtasy · Post by **wrxtasy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:40 pm

I dunno if this is supposed to be posted already but read the page at the end of the C1 pdf Manual for C1+ changes:

http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/c1/C1 ... 150701.pdf

Important question, will new UHS-1 MMC drivers be coming out soon ?

Because this is causing new users all manner of initial startup problems and actually contributing to many upset existing users (including me) trying to debug Kodi on the C1.
If the new C1+ is actually more compatible with a wider range of SD cards expect some VERY upset existing users to deal with.
I'm crossing my fingers the MMC driver issues will be fixed for the current C1 as well

Post by **mdrjr** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:09 pm

Yes, as odroid stated the MMC issues should be fixed on this new board.

wrxtasy · Post by **wrxtasy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:51 pm

That is not answering my question, can existing C1 users expect to have the SD / MMC issues fixed as well with new drivers as demonstrated in this thread ?

http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=12891

Post by **mdrjr** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:57 pm

If he shares the sources code.

Right now its just a GPL violation for me.

adbensi · Post by **adbensi** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:17 am

Photos

Very nice, please, notify here.

About my comments, is constantly say that hundreds of blogs and digital media would publish the mark if the price still down, if exist one version of the same thin plate to keep the price down, without components not necessary to boot the system. This is marketing, is what the RPI (version A, B, +) do and hundreds of x86 computers boards do too.

A decision about this is not ours, but as the meaning of what I said was not understood, humbly reply why.
please do not criticize about these comments and opinions, we are all HardKernel enthusiasts.

vbextreme · Post by **vbextreme** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:55 pm

increase the cost of the card is not a big problem , the problem is the postage!
Now the c1 of pollin cost € 45 , which we go up to 50 € with taxes and shipping costs will be about little more than the price of € 70 , but the raspberry 2 costs 44 € including shipping !
C1 70 € or 88 € for two rapsberry 2 ?

Koxx · Post by **Koxx** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:35 pm

vbextreme wrote:increase the cost of the card is not a big problem , the problem is the postage!
Now the c1 of pollin cost € 45 , which we go up to 50 € with taxes and shipping costs will be about little more than the price of € 70 , but the raspberry 2 costs 44 € including shipping !
C1 70 € or 88 € for two rapsberry 2 ?

+1 !

adbensi · Post by **adbensi** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:29 pm

You are right,
+1

Wylee_Kiot · Post by **Wylee_Kiot** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:46 pm

So ferrari should drop their price since i can import 2 yugo's for the same price? The Raspberry Pi and Odroid c1 are not the same hardware just as both cars drive they aren't the same. Yes many people use them to do the same things but the hardware of the c1 is much better than that of the Raspberry Pi.

vbextreme · Post by **vbextreme** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:02 pm

I live just a few km from Modena , the city of Ferrari and Lamborghini and exactly live in Imola , the country of residence of the famous circuit dedicated to Enzo and Dino .
Blacksmiths is not only performance , it's also a sign of quality and service .

ODROID is maximum performance , quality and service ?
c1 and pi2 are very similar, both as hardware and software.
Nothing can justify the end customer almost double the outlay of spending .
My I wanted to be an incentive to lower the price of shipping and not the card

Wylee_Kiot · Post by **Wylee_Kiot** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:40 am

The pi has quad 700 mhz cpu, the c1 is 1500, thats 3200 more cycles PER SECOND. Pi ram is ddr2, c1 ram is ddr3. C1 has emmc and ir onboard, pi does not. The one huge advantage pi has is its community, the amount of free development done on that board may surpass anything else. Another thing to consider is pi is a not for profit foundation (iirc) entitling them to tax breaks, corporate sponsorships and donations, ask HK when someone gave them a big check for free. I can understand your shipping concern nearly half the products cost in shipping seems absurd but im going to assume HK isnt making money on shipping. Im going to show my international ignorance here and ask if ebay offers fre shipping? Many ebayers here provide free shipping on items as small as the c1

vbextreme · Post by **vbextreme** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:31 am

according to the official website of the rasp has 900mhz, I also saw several comparative benchmarks with c1, of course, wins the c1a not in a manner so blatant.
I will not defend more, I am a happy owner of ODROID! And I do not even think that HK wants to make money on shipping! Instead I hope will be able to reach agreements on charges of shipping. A month ago I wanted to buy a W that costs 35 € you seem logical to have to spend 20 € for shipping? 30 € bought me a pi1 with 44 € a 2 pi .... I'm still here waiting to buy the W and perhaps also the new c1.

Post by **mdrjr** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:41 am

You may have better luck contacting Pollin itself.

As they are a distributor we can't control their shipping prices

Wylee_Kiot · Post by **Wylee_Kiot** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:08 am

Those shipping charges seem very steep. It sounds as we agree the hardware isnt overpriced just the shipping. I realize its much further away but have u tried from any other distributor? I order from california and im 3/4 across the country and shipping was very reasonable, though no borders were crossed so thats sure to increase shipping some but i dont know how much...just a thought.

vbextreme · Post by **vbextreme** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:46 am

I tried other distributors but the price is the same. from HK site is even worse, for example ODROID u3 it has a great rate $ 69 plus $ 25 for shipping and customs around € 25 for a total of 109 € from pollin you pay a little less. How does the raspberry or other cards to be shipped with the free shipping?

Post by **odroid** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:44 pm

vbextreme wrote:I tried other distributors but the price is the same. from HK site is even worse, for example ODROID u3 it has a great rate $ 69 plus $ 25 for shipping and customs around € 25 for a total of 109 € from pollin you pay a little less. How does the raspberry or other cards to be shipped with the free shipping?

I have no idea how they ship the boards with the free shipping.
I think they have enough profit with the board itself or any other hidden profit.

Post by **odroid** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:56 pm

Here are some pictures of C1+ as I promised.

Note that the heat sink will be installed by deafult and you don't need to buy it separately.
The PCB dimensions are exactly same as the original C1.

Click this image or scroll down.

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Click this image or scroll down.

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I will post other pictures like new plastic cases and HiFi DAC shield board by end of next week.

stmicro · Post by **stmicro** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:01 pm

It looks great. I am very interested in the I2S board which made by Hardkernel.

Btw, is this c1plus is compatible with the rpi cases? It seems to be possible. Right?

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:20 pm

Indeed, it looks great

!

I am also very happy with the decision, that the heatsink will be mounted by default (is it only me or are the fins of the heatsink a little bit longer?).

If the outer dimensions are the same, I could use the "old" case for the C1+ and just modify/dremel it so that it will fit again

!

Thanks in advance, HK!

Post by **odroid** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:31 pm

@stmicro
Yes, you can use the RPi+ or RPi2 cases.

@Jojo
The height of the heat sink is same as the previous version.
Yes, you need to trim the old cases for the new position/size of DC-Jack, HDMI and micro-USB connectors.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:49 pm

odroid wrote:@stmicro
Yes, you can use the RPi+ or RPi2 cases.

@Jojo
The height of the heat sink is same as the previous version.
Yes, you need to trim the old cases for the new position/size of DC-Jack, HDMI and micro-USB connectors.

Sounds/looks great! I am very looking forward to that! Hopefully it won't be much more expensive (I know the C1 was never been really expensive at all...). I'd like to see a pre-order option at Pollin for Germany

.

Greetings

adbensi · Post by **adbensi** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:59 pm

Amazing! Power switch and boot selector! I NEED IT

Promotion free shipping if buy 10 boards

?

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:50 am

CEC fully supported? I know it's supposed to be but now you have samples have you tested it and it works as intended?

Post by **mdrjr** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:56 am

Yes, working as intended.

rooted · Post by **rooted** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:00 am

mdrjr wrote:Yes, working as intended.

Thanks