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N2 family question

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Hello,

the N2 seems to be a great product. I am wondering, if there are plan to derive a MC/HC like variant of the N2. I would like to see such a N2 based MyCloud system. Together with a N2 based HomeCloud with same width so it would be stackable with the N2-MC it would be a super basis for building a server system by stacking one or more N2-HC and one or more N2-MC. Does this sound like a business case?

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We have no plan to make any N2 variant models in this year.
We may consider something like HC2 style in the next year since MC1 and HC1 were not popular.

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Why not staking many N2 boards with simply printed plastic pieces? ;)
https://medium.com/@tobetter/lets-stack ... 7fd01457ae

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Can these be bought somewhere? I don't have a 3D printer. Are there any plan to have a N2 light? This would become a great contestant against the RockPi.

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We don't sell any printed parts. You can easily find some print shops in your country probably.

Light version? Which components do yo want to remove from the current N2?
If we remove 4~5 connectors, we can save few dollars.

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I would have guessed the HC1 and HC2 would sell in similar numbers. I absolutely love my HC1.
I also love the new N2. Very impressive so far.

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I'm rather fond of my HC1. However I can understand why the HC1 had lower then expected sales.
The price and availability of 2.5 inch drives of reasonable specification for use with the HC1, are not favorable to such a product.

While we might find interesting use cases for an N2 variant, I think a soc that can bring more/better I/O to the table would be a much better match for a future HC1/HC2 style product then the S922X is.

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odroid wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:29 am
We don't sell any printed parts. You can easily find some print shops in your country probably.

Light version? Which components do yo want to remove from the current N2?
If we remove 4~5 connectors, we can save few dollars.
The light version could omit the WiFi and Bluetooth part as well as the USB OTG. If one could save some money that way (not just a few cent but dollars), it would be a candidate for my cluster plans. See the RockPi 4A vs. RockPi 4B as an example. The price difference is around 12€ with a German distributor.

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@einstein: odroid sbcs don't have wifi/bt onboard.

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einstein wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:25 pm
odroid wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:29 am
We don't sell any printed parts. You can easily find some print shops in your country probably.

Light version? Which components do yo want to remove from the current N2?
If we remove 4~5 connectors, we can save few dollars.
The light version could omit the WiFi and Bluetooth part as well as the USB OTG. If one could save some money that way (not just a few cent but dollars), it would be a candidate for my cluster plans. See the RockPi 4A vs. RockPi 4B as an example. The price difference is around 12€ with a German distributor.
The N2 already doesn't have WiFi and Bluetooth.

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@mad_ady, @cdu13a: Seems I messed up my investigation results. So the N2 it is that I will place in the list for my decision. Thanks for bringing me back on track.

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cdu13a wrote: The price and availability of 2.5 inch drives of reasonable specification for use with the HC1, are not favorable to such a product.
Hmm.... interesting you say that, but what is "not favorable"?
Used drives can be bought for cheap (500GB ~10-15 EUR, 1TB ~20-25 EUR) as laptop users upgrade to SSDs, there's more supply than demand.
I also bought 2TB new for 40-50 EUR, and on Black Friday Amazon had the 5TB Seagate external (which is shuckable) for 100 EUR (normal 125-130).

I like the price/performance/size HC1 form-factor for mini-servers, but if it also had the USB3s of the N2 it would be even better...

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fvolk wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:21 am
cdu13a wrote: The price and availability of 2.5 inch drives of reasonable specification for use with the HC1, are not favorable to such a product.
Hmm.... interesting you say that, but what is "not favorable"?
Used drives can be bought for cheap (500GB ~10-15 EUR, 1TB ~20-25 EUR) as laptop users upgrade to SSDs, there's more supply than demand.
I also bought 2TB new for 40-50 EUR, and on Black Friday Amazon had the 5TB Seagate external (which is shuckable) for 100 EUR (normal 125-130).

I like the price/performance/size HC1 form-factor for mini-servers, but if it also had the USB3s of the N2 it would be even better...
By not favorable I mean for the leave it in one spot nas use case if you compare price of an hc1 at $49 and hc2 at $54 plus a new 4tb 3.5 inch drive at $80 or new 4tb 2.5 inch drive at $170.
HC1: $49 + $170 = $219
HC2: $54 + $80 = $134

I compare new prices, because used drives and shucking external drives are not an option for everybody. Neither is ordering hard drives online.
So if you have to shop locally availability of 2.5 inch drives becomes an issue in some parts of the world.

While I prefer the HC1 form factor over the HC2 for my use cases and agree that something with the same form factor as the HC1 and a couple USB 3.0 ports on it with a faster 64bit SOC would be amazing, and that I would have use for it and want to buy some devices like that. There is unfortunately a lot of not always apparent factors to consider in producing a marketable product that you don't take a loss on, especially when catering to more specific use cases.

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True, the 2.5" new prices are unfavorable.
2.5" NAS drives are also rare,
the WD Red 1TB (WD10JFCX) is ~80 EUR,
the more performant 24/7 rated WD Black 1TB (WD10JQLX-EA) is ~90 EUR,
while 1TB SSD are already ~130 EUR and falling.

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I'm with the "shuckable" approach, last time I bought drives a 2.5" 4TB shuckable from the office store was cheaper than a bare 3.5" 4TB. Personally I think the HC1 is the best ODroid :) Small form factor, quiet (relatively), fits a stack of them anywhere etc. Some of mine have SSDs in them. I suppose if you needed more storage per node or "real" NAS drives the HC2 is better.

However I don't really understand the idea of an N2 version. When the H2 comes back out it will do everything and more (won't it?).

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Hmm... while 3.5" may be cheaper on purchase, a 3.5" always consumes more power than a 2.5"?
If run 24/7 the power difference adds up over time and consequently power costs -- anyone every measured/calculated that?
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Calculating power costs is not trivial because most times the disk may be in standby and not consuming much power...

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