J4105 vs N4100

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by odroid » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:43 am

@venkatbo,
Is there any specific reason you don't like the Realtek NIC?
Some users already reported there is no big difference against the Intel one.
viewtopic.php?f=170&t=35845
The bad reputation seems to be caused by some old buggy drivers in Kernel 3.x.

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by venkatbo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:39 pm

@odroid, iirc someone reported in the forum, some instability after a few days or some such... while the newer drivers may be more stable, rightfully or not, perceptions may hamper sales... have not seen any issues in my light use, though.

Just a thought, to win more users, if cost/technical aspects are non-issues...

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by powerful owl » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:00 pm

crashoverride wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:39 am
powerful owl wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:57 am
a NUC8i3
BOXNUC8i3BEH1 = $314

Both are only 2 core versus the 4 real cores in H2. Pricing comes from newegg and is applicable to the USA. Not intended to be a debate about who can build the cheapest system, rather to show that a J5005 based H2 is still competitive in my region.
Hm, NUCs cost more in the USA... interesting. Also you have a distributor (with reasonable pricing) so don't need to pay $40 shipping for ODroid. Certainly the value equation will vary depending on where you are.
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:35 am
The Gigabyte, for the price, is a pretty good mini-desktop (email, browsing, Office, HTPC). But the H2 can fill that role PLUS let you expand on capabilities you find in embedded systems to build something you CANNOT get with the main stream ITX boards.
The H2 is a great little board. It's just a question (at least for some of us and depending on use case ;) ) of whether an extra $40 is worth only a small CPU improvement.

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by domih » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:58 pm

powerful owl wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:00 pm
crashoverride wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:39 am
powerful owl wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:57 am
a NUC8i3
BOXNUC8i3BEH1 = $314

Both are only 2 core versus the 4 real cores in H2. Pricing comes from newegg and is applicable to the USA. Not intended to be a debate about who can build the cheapest system, rather to show that a J5005 based H2 is still competitive in my region.
Hm, NUCs cost more in the USA... interesting. Also you have a distributor (with reasonable pricing) so don't need to pay $40 shipping for ODroid. Certainly the value equation will vary depending on where you are.
domih wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:35 am
The Gigabyte, for the price, is a pretty good mini-desktop (email, browsing, Office, HTPC). But the H2 can fill that role PLUS let you expand on capabilities you find in embedded systems to build something you CANNOT get with the main stream ITX boards.
The H2 is a great little board. It's just a question (at least for some of us and depending on use case ;) ) of whether an extra $40 is worth only a small CPU improvement.
I concur. It depends on the use case. Anyway, Hard Kernel is probably going to go with the N41000 boosted by the BIOS, which makes sense because they already integrated it. Regarding the shipping costs, I'm privileged, Ameridroid is less than 200 hundred miles from my place. Shipping costs are minimal and if in stock I get the goods within 2 or 3 days.
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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by 127.0.0.1 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:32 pm

odroid wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:43 am
@venkatbo,
Is there any specific reason you don't like the Realtek NIC?
For community that would like to use the odroid to run pfsense or esxi, intel nic are preferred and does not require custom images or patching.

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by rmkimathi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:20 pm

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Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:33 pm
Our H2 Rev-B second batch is almost gone. I think it will be sold out again within a few weeks.

So we tried to secure more J4105 CPUs from Intel few weeks ago.
Unfortunately, they still have the serious Wafer shortage problem and they told us there is no more J4105 in this year.
In that case, we have to wait another several months again. :(

Their counter proposal is the N4100. They told us the N4100 supplying chain is much more stable and slightly cheaper.
Please look into this comparison table.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_c ... _j4105-841
Multi-core performance seems to be identical since the maximum clock is locked at 2.4Ghz when four CPUs are running in parallel.
The GPU performance is slightly(6~7%) lower but others are exactly same.

Therefore, the next H2 Rev-C will have the N4100 instead of the J4105 if we can't source J4105 anymore.
The price will be dropped to $105 from $111 probably.

Any comments are appreciated.
Please go with the J5005. Next year intel may release a better chip which we can upgrade to. Then there's competition from AMD (UDOO BOLT)

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by rooted » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:21 am


127.0.0.1 wrote:
odroid wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:43 am
@venkatbo,
Is there any specific reason you don't like the Realtek NIC?
For community that would like to use the odroid to run pfsense or esxi, intel nic are preferred and does not require custom images or patching.
My understanding is pfsense is working without any modifications, this whole realtek thing has been sorted for some time.

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by n2qcn » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:52 am

From http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/08/excl ... fresh.html

Skyhawk Lake will have to wait. Six new Gemini Lake SoCs are coming later this year, including the desktop Pentium J5040, Celeron J4125 / J4025, and mobile Pentium N5030, Celeron N4120 / N4020.

The new processors are still based on the 14nm Goldmont Plus architecture and feature the same Intel UHD graphics and cache, but offer substantially higher frequencies in some cases.

The top-of-the-line Pentium J5040 is clocked at 2.0GHz up to 3.2GHz (1.5GHz up to 2.80 GHz for the J5005). Gemini Lake Refresh motherboards and mini PCs will be on shelves early 2020.
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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by odroid » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:45 pm

We can source the J4105 chips from other distributors.
So we will keep using the J4105 instead of the N4100.

Sorry for making a noise. But I've learned a lot of things from users.
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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by rooted » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:08 am

odroid wrote:We can source the J4105 chips from other distributors.
So we will keep using the J4105 instead of the N4100.

Sorry for making a noise. But I've learned a lot of things from users.
That's good news.

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Re: J4105 vs N4100

Unread post by tmihai20 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:47 pm

If I were in your (HardKernel's) shoes I would probably go for N4100 instead of the slightly better J5005. If J5005 is just as hard to source as J4105, then I would definitely go for N4100 SoC, I would not change anything else in it, since any major change like the Ethernet would require months of waiting for certification. I am using N4100 series SoC at work and it is more than kicking ass with its performance. I actually wanted one to use as a NAS.
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