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Hi Everyone

I bought an ODROID-H3+ to have on 24/7 to run some scripts.
I have seen here some people claim as little as 4W idle from the wall running windows 10.
Currently my power consumption is at 10W idle, can anyone help me bring this down?

My cpu alone seems to idle at 4+W and VID seems to always stay at 1.192V at 3ghz with PL4 set to 45000 in Bios. VID strikes me as very high.

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Any help is much appreciated
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Have you updated to BIOS 1.11 yet? Do you use a nvme?
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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:54 pm
Have you updated to BIOS 1.11 yet? Do you use a nvme?
Thank you for your reply.

I have version 1.09.
I do use an nvme patriot p300 power consumption according to reviews is: idle 0.37w and running 2.07w.

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Upgrade to BIOS 1.11 then. 1.09 has broken low-power states.
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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:15 pm
Upgrade to BIOS 1.11 then. 1.09 has broken low-power states.
Thank you I will try that out.

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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:15 pm
Upgrade to BIOS 1.11 then. 1.09 has broken low-power states.
I have updated the bios. The power consumption is now at 8w in idle.
Thank you.
2w down, 4w more to go. :-)

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For nvme drives you may need to set ASPM to auto in BIOS. Look on the BIOS threads to see the best advice. But note that previous tests were likely done on linux, and may depend on attached periferals.

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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:29 pm
For nvme drives you may need to set ASPM to auto in BIOS. Look on the BIOS threads to see the best advice. But note that previous tests were likely done on linux, and may depend on attached periferals.
Thank you, yes I have seen that and tried it out already.
Unfortunatly it did not bring any improvement.
(actually it caused occasional power consumption spikes..)

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With some more windows tweaking I got it down to 7.5W now at idle.

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Do you have updated Windows with all needed drivers?
What did you already tried about power management in Windows?
What do you use to measure power consumption? Is measured H3+ device only (DC part) OR H3+ + power adapter (AC part) ?
How many background processes/services do you have running? Process Explorer is useful tool: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysin ... s-explorer
You should disable unnecessary services: https://www.blackviper.com/service-conf ... gurations/ | https://windowsreport.com/disable-windows-services/

What noctua fan do you have? If NF-F12 then it draws only 0.6W πŸ‘ https://noctua.at/en/nf-p12-pwm/specification
BTW Patriot P300 seems to be efficient storage with very low idle power consumption πŸ‘ (at least 1TB version: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pa ... -m2-nvme/2)
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xnd wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:59 am
Do you have updated Windows with all needed drivers?
What did you already tried about power management in Windows?
What do you use to measure power consumption? Is measured H3+ device only (DC part) OR H3+ + power adapter (AC part) ?
How many background processes/services do you have running? Process Explorer is useful tool: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysin ... s-explorer
You should disable unnecessary services: https://www.blackviper.com/service-conf ... gurations/ | https://windowsreport.com/disable-windows-services/

What noctua fan do you have? If NF-F12 then it draws only 0.6W πŸ‘ https://noctua.at/en/nf-p12-pwm/specification
BTW Patriot P300 seems to be efficient storage with very low idle power consumption πŸ‘ (at least 1TB version: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pa ... -m2-nvme/2)
Hi,

I freshly installed windows. I would have to check, if there are any drivers I could improve.

As for windows powermanagement. I have set it to system standart save power, lowered minimum cpu power to 1% and also set the wifi power management to max power savings.
Furthermore I disabled all unnecessary cosmetics such as window shadows, transparency effects etc.
I also uninstalled all unneeded apps and disabled a bunch of background processes / apps.

The only app I can still see in taskmanager, that uses any noteworthy resources and isn't necessary is windows search indexer.

I measure at the wall so ac and dc using a steffen digital brilliant.
https://www.steffen.ch/de/products/1808945-1
This only starts measuring reliably above 7W.
I have another PC and some peripherals at the same plug which in sleep mode draws a steady 10W, meaning everything above it is the odroid H3 + power draw.

Fan I checked makes only .1-.2W difference at lowest speed. It is a Noctua NF-A9x14.

Thank you, yes that is why i selected this drive. πŸ‘πŸ™‚
I will check process explorer tonight after work.

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another (off-topic) advice will be migrate from Windows to Linux :D (for example Debian + DietPi + newest kernel 6.0.x) :D

what kind of scripts are you running?

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xnd wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:57 am
another (off-topic) advice will be migrate from Windows to Linux :D (for example Debian + DietPi + newest kernel 6.0.x) :D

what kind of scripts are you running?
Hi,

Thank you for your reply.
Yes I had considered something like that.
The issue is I am running R scripts on this (daily),
however I also have to modify these scripts frequently, so I kinda wanna be able to run rstudio on it. That's why I chose win 10.
(To my knowledge rstudio do not run on linux, or am I mistaken?)

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According to wikipedia, it also runs under linux: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RStudio
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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:11 am
According to wikipedia, it also runs under linux: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RStudio
Thank you, you're right :-)

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Update: I have gone over the windows services list again and also got a new powermeter, since my old one according to independent reviews I found was fairly inaccurate.
Power consumption is now sitting just below 7w (6.7w).

I am also considering removing one of the two sodimms, to find out how much power these consume. I read they vary quite a lot.
(2x8gb kingston fury CL21 2933mt)

Btw, does anybody know if there is any way to undervolt the n6005 on this board?

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I have no idea about 'undervolt'.

The SO-DIMM DRAM power consumption wouldn't be a root cause.
We don't know for sure because we haven't had any experience using the Windows OS properly, but your power consumption seems quite high.
Can you check the CPU clock frequency? It must be near 800Mhz if there is no heavy load in IDLE state.
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odroid wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:33 pm
I have no idea about 'undervolt'.

The SO-DIMM DRAM power consumption wouldn't be a root cause.
We don't know for sure because we haven't had any experience using the Windows OS properly, but your power consumption seems quite high.
Can you check the CPU clock frequency? It must be near 800Mhz if there is no heavy load in IDLE state.
Thank you for your reply.

I was thinking maybe the sodimms consume more power than they should. Unfortunatly they do not show up in hwinfo. Do I understand correctly, that ypu think this does not have anything to do with the high power consumption?

The CPU clock frequency is reported as 800mhz in idle.
The Voltage as 0.7v and cpu power consumption as 3.4w. This does strike me as high, that is why I was asking if it could be undervolted somehow. In my experience intel cpus are stable in idle at ca. 0.63v.

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I don't think there is an option to lower the CPU voltage but I'm not sure.
It is also worth to install Ubuntu 22.04.1 ISO image temporarily since most of the forum users are using Linux, it is likely that you will be able to quickly find any hardware problems you may have.

BTW, did you install Windows 10 version 22H2?
One Korean user had some uncertain issues until she installed version 22H2 which supports the Jasper Lake SoC specific features.
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odroid wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:12 pm
I don't think there is an option to lower the CPU voltage but I'm not sure.
It is also worth to install Ubuntu 22.04.1 ISO image temporarily since most of the forum users are using Linux, it is likely that you will be able to quickly find any hardware problems you may have.

BTW, did you install Windows 10 version 22H2?
One Korean user had some uncertain issues until she installed version 22H2 which supports the Jasper Lake SoC specific features.
Thank you for your input.
I have checked tonight and windows was on 21h2. Updating to 22h2 made no difference at all.
Disabeling some more things I don't need, brought little improvement.

Then I dropped the memory speed of the kingston fury 2x8gb from 2933 down to 2667.
The power consumption dropped to ca 3w!

So it seems there is still an issue with kingston fury memory. (xmp issue?)
As reported elsewhere.

I will try to confirm tomorrow with another memory kit.
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How did you change RAM speed?

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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:48 pm
How did you change RAM speed?
We added a DRAM timing configuration menu when we released BIOS version 1.09.
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h3/hardw ... jsl-h3_109

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23m0 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:17 am
odroid wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:12 pm
I don't think there is an option to lower the CPU voltage but I'm not sure.
It is also worth to install Ubuntu 22.04.1 ISO image temporarily since most of the forum users are using Linux, it is likely that you will be able to quickly find any hardware problems you may have.

BTW, did you install Windows 10 version 22H2?
One Korean user had some uncertain issues until she installed version 22H2 which supports the Jasper Lake SoC specific features.
Thank you for your input.
I have checked tonight and windows was on 21h2. Updating to 22h2 made no difference at all.
Disabeling some more things I don't need, brought little improvement.

Then I dropped the memory speed of the kingston fury 2x8gb from 2933 down to 2667.
The power consumption dropped to ca 3w!

So it seems there is still an issue with kingston fury memory. (xmp issue?)
As reported elsewhere.

I will try to confirm tomorrow with another memory kit.
P.s.: I forgot to check yesterday, but did so this morning.
Setting the RAM speed manually to 2667 also reduced cpu idle power consumption from 3.4w to 1.9w.

I get the impression, that kingston fury memory is still troubled. Originally it didn't work at all, then odroid fixed this with a bios update. Thank you, odroid. Since bios 1.09 I believe kingston fury works now. However, it seems that kingston memory is stressing the memory module which is on the cpu somehow, causing increased cpu + RAM power consumption?

Compare to info from this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=171&t=45499

Also, I understand that most users use linux. I will try to fix issues in windows first before I install ubuntu, since I have modified windows already quite a bit and don't want to do that all over again.

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mad_ady wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:48 pm
How did you change RAM speed?
Under chipset there is an entry called maximum memory frequency.
By default its on auto, you can set it to desired speed.

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Update!

I manually set the Ram speed to 2667mt, set ASPM to auto, and max state to l1.
Furthermore I disabled things I dont need in Bios like sata ports.
My windows 10 desktop idle power consumption is no 1.7-2.1w!

This is tremendous I love it. :D
Thanks to everyone, this was fun its been a while since I've been on a forum and tinkering around.

Also, after setting the Ram speed to 2933 manually and having neglibly higher power consumption then manual 2667 vs a lot higher power consumption in auto, I can now confirm, that there still seems to be an issue with kingston fury memory.
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