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Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:56 am

Hi all

After a very fast delivery time, I got mine today and I will use it as a desktop replacement installed with latest Ubuntu (or if possible with macOS) it will run beside my windows 10 desktop machine on either the same Monitor or I will buy a new one, I will see

I ordered the H2 case type 2 as you can see below and I cant wait to play around with it :) But ! I have a lot of other things to do so it must wait a little bit :ugeek:

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby OverSun » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:00 am

Celeron GPU is not supported in MacOS, that's what I've investigated right away as well. Sad, it would be awesome hackintosh box.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby Sentilix » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:02 am

Grats :-)

Got a confirmation mail that I will receive mine this Friday - Christmas is early this year \o/
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:53 am

OverSun wrote:Celeron GPU is not supported in MacOS, that's what I've investigated right away as well. Sad, it would be awesome hackintosh box.


Dang ! ;) indeed it would be a nice hackintosh

Sentilix wrote:Grats :-)

Got a confirmation mail that I will receive mine this Friday - Christmas is early this year \o/


nice, I wish you a lot of fun with it ! :)
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby mad_ady » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:47 am

@AreaScout: how much ram will you be using with it?
Mine is still in the mail :)
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:58 am

mad_ady wrote:@AreaScout: how much ram will you be using with it?
Mine is still in the mail :)


4GB, it should be enough for my usage :) Type is: M471A5244CB0-CRC 2400Mhz about ~40 Euro

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby mad_ady » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:41 am

I really need to learn to close browser tabs and abandoned terminals in this case :)
Had to upgrade from 4 to 8G on my work pc because of this.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:17 am

mad_ady wrote:I really need to learn to close browser tabs and abandoned terminals in this case :)
Had to upgrade from 4 to 8G on my work pc because of this.


So your plan is to use 8GB or more ?
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:40 am

@AreaScout,
Are you planning to use SATA? Either the SATA power cable is rare, or I am using the wrong search terms.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby mad_ady » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:06 am

@AreaScout: I'll start with 4G, since it is intended to be a desktop system for the kids (running linux for now), but we'll see in the future
@crashoverride: a colleague of mine said those sata power cables come shipped with new motherboards or some power supplies.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby rooted » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:28 am

I ran 4G in an old laptop for years until recently I added another 2G, running 64bit Linux Mint I never have had an issue while running 4G for anything typical.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:55 pm

crashoverride wrote:@AreaScout,
Are you planning to use SATA? Either the SATA power cable is rare, or I am using the wrong search terms.


No, I definitely go for a M.2 128GB harddisc which is about ~25 Euro

The cable seems to be rare, you are right but I think I found it

https://www.rakuten.de/produkt/pc-engin ... 2192107885

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby odroid » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:10 pm

The SATA power cable is wrong.
Floppy Disk Drive 4pin female connector should be compatible. Here are some examples.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KXTCVSQ/re ... 1543468056
https://www.amazon.com/Female-Floppy-Po ... 1543468148
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby tobetter » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:30 pm

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:07 pm

If I die unexpectedly, I hope someone deletes my browser history to spare the embarrassment to my family of all the "floppy power cable" searches I did! :lol:

The only USA source for the cable I could find is Ameridroid, but they do not show any stock:
https://ameridroid.com/collections/cables/products/sata-data-and-power-cable

It may be worthwhile to consider including the power cable adapter with the cases being sold.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby rooted » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:15 pm

Who doesn't have extra floppy drive cables in a drawer :)
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby odroid » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:18 pm

I totally agree it is quite ugly using the floppy power connector in '2018.
We had to choose an IDE power connector like N1. :oops:
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:23 pm

My interim solution is to splice the ends of two different cables together.

I plan to do development on the board, so I will have abnormally high write traffic. This makes any solid state storage less than ideal. I also plan to boot from the drive and maintain a swap file on it making USB3 less than ideal. Based on this, SATA is my best option, but I did not anticipate the power connector being a challenge.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby rooted » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:02 pm

crashoverride wrote:My interim solution is to splice the ends of two different cables together.

I plan to do development on the board, so I will have abnormally high write traffic. This makes any solid state storage less than ideal. I also plan to boot from the drive and maintain a swap file on it making USB3 less than ideal. Based on this, SATA is my best option, but I did not anticipate the power connector being a challenge.
You don't have a cable at all or you needed an extra?
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:13 pm

rooted wrote:You don't have a cable at all or you needed an extra?

I don't have any floppy (or VGA ;) ) cables. I had to order some cables with the connectors I need since I could not find one pre-made that would arrive in a timely manner. I will place an Ameridroid order when they have stock.
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Unread postby odroid » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:16 pm

I heard Ameridroid will have stock in few days.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:29 pm

odroid wrote:The SATA power cable is wrong.
Floppy Disk Drive 4pin female connector should be compatible. Here are some examples.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KXTCVSQ/re ... 1543468056
https://www.amazon.com/Female-Floppy-Po ... 1543468148


Yes you are right, the cable I posted only had 2 wire, thanks for the links :)

crashoverride wrote:I plan to do development on the board, so I will have abnormally high write traffic.


I have a very new CloudShell2 with 2x4TB harddiscs that I will use to store source code and compile it from there, I have just find time to put all things together :roll:
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:29 pm

I think I need a case "Type 2 and a half"! :D

Case Type 2 does not fit a 2.5" drive and Type 3 is rather bulky. A little "deck" with just enough height for a single 2.5" HDD that attaches under Type 2 like the N1 case had would be perfect.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby tkaiser » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:57 pm

AreaScout wrote:I got mine today


Is your board also reporting a wrong CPU as @crashoverride's: viewtopic.php?f=169&t=32920#p239450
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:32 am

tkaiser wrote:
AreaScout wrote:I got mine today


Is your board also reporting a wrong CPU as @crashoverride's: viewtopic.php?f=169&t=32920#p239450



You are lucky that I already playing around with it ;)

Yes, same model but different model name ? Strange ... I did not change any settings in bios, I just installed Ubuntu 18.10

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model name   : Intel(R) Celeron(R) N4100 CPU @ 1.10GHz


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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby tkaiser » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:32 am

AreaScout wrote:
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model name   : Intel(R) Celeron(R) N4100 CPU @ 1.10GHz


Funny. But I guess it's simply a software bug and related to a recent kernel update (at least I hope so). Might be interesting to do a quick sbc-bench run to confirm clockspeeds: https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby gkkpch » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:39 am

rooted wrote:Who doesn't have extra floppy drive cables in a drawer :)

I thought I didn't, then looked a little closer and voilà :D
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby rooted » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:41 am

gkkpch wrote:
rooted wrote:Who doesn't have extra floppy drive cables in a drawer :)

I thought I didn't, then looked a little closer and voilà :D
That was a nice surprise =)
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:45 pm

Well ...
Whatever the connector on the H2 is for SATA power, it is NOT a floppy drive connector. I now have a floppy drive connector in my possession, and it does not fit. I suspected as much from the images of it, but now I can confirm it.

@odroid,
What is the part number/specification for the power connector on H2?

This is the specification for the floppy power connector which does not fit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berg_connector
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This connector has a 2.5 mm pitch (not 2.54 mm).
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby rooted » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:05 pm

These are the best pictures I could take with available light.

You can see the connector is indeed different than what you have there.ImageImageImage
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:42 pm

My best guess is that its a JST-XH connector (2.50mm pitch):
http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eXH.pdf

I ordered some and will find out!
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Unread postby rooted » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:45 pm

crashoverride wrote:My best guess is that its a JST-XH connector (2.50mm pitch):
http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eXH.pdf

I ordered some and will find out!
I believe this is the same (for reference):

http://www.newfroggy.com/index.php?disp ... ct_id=3757
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:30 pm

@odroid,
Can you add the SATA power connector pinout to the wiki? I need to know which pins correspond to which voltages/ground.

Also, can the +5V power on the 2X10 GPIO connector supply the required current to connect a 2.5" SDD or HDD to?
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:06 pm

tkaiser wrote:
AreaScout wrote:
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Funny. But I guess it's simply a software bug and related to a recent kernel update (at least I hope so). Might be interesting to do a quick sbc-bench run to confirm clockspeeds: https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench


No it's not, odroid got me informed now that this is one of the engineering samples they made to compare J4015 and N4100, so I have a very unique one, that's more you can expect :)

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Unread postby Sentilix » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:10 pm

N4100 is a bit slower though - at least when comparing raw CPU power:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/I ... 6vsm444211
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby tkaiser » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:14 pm

AreaScout wrote:odroid got me informed now that this is one of the engineering samples they made to compare J4015 and N4100, so I have a very unique one


I see. So I would assume the same applies to @crashoverride and his collection of 'information' and benchmark numbers over there viewforum.php?f=169 get a bit questionable? One is a CPU with 6W TDP and the other is made for 10W TDP.

Anyway: would be great if you can run sbc-bench so I can add numbers for N4100 to my list. Thank you!
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:12 pm

Sentilix wrote:N4100 is a bit slower though - at least when comparing raw CPU power:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/I ... 6vsm444211


I know, but still not bad ! ;)

tkaiser wrote:
AreaScout wrote:odroid got me informed now that this is one of the engineering samples they made to compare J4015 and N4100, so I have a very unique one


I see. So I would assume the same applies to @crashoverride and his collection of 'information' and benchmark numbers over there viewforum.php?f=169 get a bit questionable? One is a CPU with 6W TDP and the other is made for 10W TDP.

Anyway: would be great if you can run sbc-bench so I can add numbers for N4100 to my list. Thank you!


I would do it immediately but I have only a Ubuntu Live System running in memory, got it installed on eMMC temporarily but that was not a good solution, still waiting for a M.2 SSD, if the eMMC is up again I will post it here
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:20 pm

tkaiser wrote:Anyway: would be great if you can run sbc-bench so I can add numbers for N4100 to my list. Thank you!


Here it is http://ix.io/1uTS

@all

If you are planing to install Ubuntu Cosmic on an eMMC please don't, that eMMC is only detected if you are lucky :( So I changed to install Bionic from USB-Stick to eMMC and all went well !

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby tkaiser » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:47 pm

AreaScout wrote:
tkaiser wrote:Anyway: would be great if you can run sbc-bench so I can add numbers for N4100 to my list. Thank you!


Here it is http://ix.io/1uTS


Thanks a lot. The memory bandwidth results look like you're using just a single DIMM module, true?

Edit: Ah, you were mentioning M471A5244CB0-CRC above so that's a single channel DRAM config. Performance difference compared to a J4105 equipped H2 is just around ~5% which most probably is related to UEFI/BIOS settings allowing the SoC to clock up to 2.3GHz on all 4 cores. Maybe not that representative for other N4100 devices that are designed for a lower TDP?
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:35 am

tkaiser wrote:Thanks a lot. The memory bandwidth results look like you're using just a single DIMM module, true?

Edit: Ah, you were mentioning M471A5244CB0-CRC above so that's a single channel DRAM config. Performance difference compared to a J4105 equipped H2 is just around ~5% which most probably is related to UEFI/BIOS settings allowing the SoC to clock up to 2.3GHz on all 4 cores. Maybe not that representative for other N4100 devices that are designed for a lower TDP?


Yes that's right it's a single channel DRAM config, I am happy with my new little desktop PC :)

edit: don't ask me about TDP that's not my profession :lol:
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby odroid » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:20 am

crashoverride wrote:@odroid,
Can you add the SATA power connector pinout to the wiki? I need to know which pins correspond to which voltages/ground.

Also, can the +5V power on the 2X10 GPIO connector supply the required current to connect a 2.5" SDD or HDD to?


We will post a reply on Monday.
I think we can release the full schematics early next week via WiKi page.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:52 am

crashoverride wrote:My best guess is that its a JST-XH connector (2.50mm pitch):
http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eXH.pdf

I ordered some and will find out!

I received my connectors and they appear to be a perfect match. After wiring one up, I will confirm.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby odroid » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:21 pm

@crashoverride,
Glad to hear you found a mating connector.

Please refer to this schematics.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Thanks @odroid!

I wired up my connector and moved the HDD drive from the USB enclosure to the SATA port, and all is working well at the moment. As expected, there was no noticeable performance difference since the drive itself is the bottleneck. However, now I can proceed with testing a SATA SSD.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:50 pm

I installed a Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATA SSD. The difference in boot time is beyond remarkable (crazy fast compared to HDD!)!

However, along with this extremely fast boot came Linux issues. My XBOX 360 wired controller no longer enumerates and stalls everything on the USB hub; so I have no keyboard or mouse until a couple minutes after boot. This issue does not occur in the UEFI setup so its definitely a Linux issue. The behavior is consistent across two installations (repeatable) and did not occur with a slower HDD. I guess its nice to know that Linux is broken on all platforms, not just ARM. :lol:

Speaking of broken ...
I am unable to adjust color calibration on this Intel graphics chip. The display is de-saturated, flat, bland, low contrast, etc. Other devices using this same display (N1, AppleTV, AMD PC) do not exhibit this problem. The Intel graphics only appear to support a single gamma point (global gamma) and not a ramp required for color correction. I inquired about this in Intel's IRC channel and was completely ignored. This is likely a Linux issue and not a hardware issue. However, this makes Intel designs unsuitable for any media or graphics applications for me.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:57 am

crashoverride wrote:I installed a Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATA SSD. The difference in boot time is beyond remarkable (crazy fast compared to HDD!)!


I got my NVMe SSD today, it's also crazy fast !! :) wow, that's how this speed update is to be called

Next update will be a Fan on top of my Case Type 2 https://www.bequiet.com/de/casefans/618

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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby Yostarone » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:55 am

be aware that to use regular computer fans you need a adapter for the fan cable. the odroid h2 has a pretty unique fan power socket..
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby AreaScout » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:25 pm

Yostarone wrote:be aware that to use regular computer fans you need a adapter for the fan cable. the odroid h2 has a pretty unique fan power socket..


Thanks for the advice !
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:53 am

crashoverride wrote:The display is de-saturated, flat, bland, low contrast, etc.

I should note that this has "magically" fixed itself. I do not have any idea why it suddenly started working correctly.

I had set the UEFI and Linux to text mode at boot. The AMI logo displays correctly with a black background. Once Linux begins to load, the console log is also displayed correctly with a black background. After the DRM/KMS driver is loaded, the problem begins and the black background is significantly lighter (gray). X11 then loads and the gray background appears before the wallpaper is loaded. The display mode at this point is de-saturated as I described.

The new behavior is similar. UEFI screen is correct. Linux console is correct. After DRM/KMS loads, the black background turns gray again. However, now when X11 loads, the black background is restored and colors are correct.
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Re: Got mine today :)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:22 am

I also noticed that glmark2-es2 now renders correctly. The implication is that the behavior changes may be due to a kernel update.
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