The Next ODROID!

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The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:37 pm


Edit:
N1 sub-forum has been created. : viewforum.php?f=148


Introduced in 2014, the Samsung Exynos5422 used for the XU4 is still very competitive against other single board computers.
We currently plan to keep producing the XU4, HC1, MC1 and HC2 with continuous Kernel update for a few more years.

Many forum members are inquiring about a new ODROID board, and the time to talk about the next ODROID has arrived.
The major features requested are:
- Faster CPU
- More DRAM memory
- Faster GPU
- Faster storage IO
- More Linux friendly

We have internally evaluated the S912, RTD1295, and RK3399 in 2017.
Only the RK3399 meets the requirements from our community and will be used as the basis of a new ODROID.
We call it ODROID-N1. The “N” stands for Next.

ODROID-N1 key features:
- Rockchip AArch64 RK3399 Hexa-core processor
- Dual-core ARM Cortex-A72 2Ghz processor and Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 1.5Ghz processor, big-LITTLE architecture
- Mali-T860MP4 GPU, support OpenGL ES1.1/2.0/3.0, OpenCL 1.2
- 4Gbyte DDR3-1866 RAM, Dual channel interface for 64bit data bus width
- 2 x SATA3 port, native SATA implementation via PCIe-gen2 to SATA3 interface
- eMMC 5.0 (HS400) Flash storage and a UHS capable micro-SD slot.
- 2 x USB 3.0 host port
- 2 x USB 2.0 host port.
- Gigabit Ethernet port
- HDMI 2.0 for 4K display
- 40-Pin GPIO port
- OS: Ubuntu 18.04 or Debian Stretch with Kernel 4.4 LTS, Android 7.1
- Size: 90 x 90 x 20 mm approx. (excluding cooler)
- Power: 12V/2A input (Attaching two 3.5inch HDD requires a 12V/4A PSU)
- Price: US$110 (To be adjusted based on DRAM market price changes)
- Mass production schedule: TBD

In the next several days, we will send 30 pre-selected members of our community a free N1 engineering sample board to test. We call it a “Debug Party”.
We hope that mass production will begin in May or June if the “Debug Party” is successful.
However, if the N1 board is not affordable, or there are too many unresolved issues then mass production will be delayed.
If there is enough demand, we can consider an ODROID-N1-Lite model. It will have 2GByte RAM and omit the SATA ports at a $75 price point.
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N1 block diagram and GPIO pin maps
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CPU and DRAM performance
We have run a few basic benchmark tests on N1 with Ubuntu 18.04 nightly build.

All cores
When we ran UnixBench with all the CPU cores in parallel. The performance was not significantly different from XU4.
If your application software uses all the cores in parallel, the performance difference between XU4 and N1 will likely be minimal.
64bit DRAM bus is implemented with fully independent two 32bit bus channels. Therefore, the DRAM bandwidth is very high.
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Single, Big Core
The single core Nbench and memory-bandwidth benchmark show a larger difference in the ODROID-N1 performance.
Due to significant improvements in the newer ARM architecture, the N1’s Cortex-A72 CPUs are much faster than the XU4’s Cortex-A15 CPUs.
When we ran the same benchmarks with only one big-core, we see this in the results. Therefore, we can say A72 is 20~30% faster than A15.
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Single, Little Core
The FPU performance in A53 is much better than A7, as expected.
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Thermal Throttling Characteristics
There will be two different N1 models. One will have an active heatsink while the other will have a passive heatsink like the previous ODROID-XU4 and ODROID-XU4Q.
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We ran some thermal tests with the following conditions:
Big Cluster - Cortex-A72, 1.992Ghz 2cores (Performance governor)
Little Cluster - Cortex-A53, 1.512Ghz 4cores (Performance governor)
Fan - ODROID-XU4 Fan
Heatsink - ODROID-XU4Q Heatsink
Default test time – over 30 min

Test Case 1: Stress test with a passive cooler
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Blue - Big cluster frequency : 2Ghz clock downs to 1.8Ghz or 1.6Ghz from time to time due to the thermal throttling
Red – Temperature (maximum : 81.6 °C, minimum : 47.5 °C, Average : 74.5 °C)

Test Case 2: Stress test with an active cooler fan
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Blue - Big cluster frequency: 2Ghz stock frequency doesn’t change.
Red – Temperature ( maximum : 55.5 °C, minimum: 43.3 °C, Average: 53.6 °C)

If you want to keep running your heavy software continuously, consider using an active cooling fan.
Otherwise, a passive heatsink should be enough for many use cases.

GPU performance
The N1’s GPU is 1.5~1.8 times faster than XU4’s.
XU4 has six shader units while N1 has four, but the N1’s Mali-T860 has a much more advanced architecture than XU4’s Mali-T628.
We ran the Android Antutu 3D GPU benchmark on XU4 and N1 with the same 1080p resolution for the comparison.
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SATA interface performance
There are two native SATA3 ports on the N1 board. The SATA3 interface is implemented using 1 x PCIe link in the RK3399.
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Two SATA3 storage devices can connect to the N1 board via standard SATA data and power cables. The PCIe host can be configured in Gen1or Gen2 mode.
When we ran the IOZONE test with a SSD, we could get around 380MB/sec with Gen2 mode even though we expected more than 450MB/sec.
We suspect that the SoC internal bus connection has a bottleneck. Further investigation is needed to find any room for improvement.
Despite this, 380MB/sec is not a bad number in the ARM SBC world.
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USB 3.0 Performance
As expected, the JMS578 UAS bridged SSD showed around 380MB/sec transfer speed just as on the XU4 board.
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Gbit Ethernet Performance
With the iperf test, we achieved the expected Ethernet performance results. All the ODROID boards consistently have over 920Mbps of bidirectional transfer speed.
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Samba/CIFS network storage performance is also reasonably fast with a HDD/SSD on the SATA ports.
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Linux Support
We tested Linux platform support with Debian Stretch 9.3 in addition to Ubuntu 18.04 nightly build.
Because Ubuntu 18.04 is still under very active development (tons of updates every day), we decided to wait until Canonical’s official release in late April before supporting it.
Therefore, our “Debug Party” will use Debian instead of Ubuntu for the initial few months.

LXDE based simple Debian runs quite well.
Mali T860 GPU runs with r13p0 driver on X11. The “es2gears” OpenGL-ES2 test application works with ~60FPS due to VSYNC.
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1080p video playback on Youtube in Chromium Browser is also accelerated with well-implemented VDPAU and V4L2 video codec drivers and libraries.
It gives us a PC-like desktop experience.
VPU acceleration on Gstreamer and VLC seems to be a high possibility too.
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WebGL GPU acceleration on Chromium Browser is also working reasonably well.
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Linux Kernel version
We’ve ported and tested Kernel 4.14 as well as 4.4. The latest Kernel 4.14 works fine except for some VPU/GPU driver glitches.
Due to this, we may keep using Kernel 4.4 until Rockchip releases a stable 4.14 BSP. Kernel 4.4 LTS will be maintained until Feb, 2022 by Greg Kroah-Hartman.



“Debug Party”
The engineering sample gift box will contain the following items:
- N1 board (4GB RAM + SATA + Active Cooler)
- 16GB Orange eMMC with pre-installed Debian image.
- 12V/2A PSU with proper AC power cable for your region.
- SATA power cable
- Laser cut acrylic case for evaluation. (We will design an official case based on community member’s feedback later)

Known issues in the engineering sample PCB:
- Because the SATA power connector has no 12Volt rail and only 2.5” SSD/HDD storage devices can be used. The 12V rail will be added to the mass production version PCB for 3.5” HDD support.
- The UART port on the 40pin GPIO header doesn’t work due to a missing power line in the level-shifter circuit. We will solder a wire on the PCB to solve this issue which will be corrected on the mass production version.
- A 128Mbit(16MB) SPI flash memory chip will be added if our SPI boot implementation is successful.
- Other unidentified issues likely exist.

We may start to ship the engineering samples early next week and there will be a sub-forum for N1 Debug Party.
The list of community members will be available this Friday.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:01 pm

Wow, welcome to the future. Didn't see this coming so soon.

From those performance numbers and system specs the price seems very competitive. Nicely done Hardkernel team.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:21 pm

Laser cut acrylic case samples have arrived and we assembled it with two SATA storages.

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It is quite confident to ship the engineering samples with the acrylic parts early next week. :D
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby substring » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:44 pm

Nice choice for Realtek !

I guess the board can't be booted in 32bit mode, and that VSync'ed OpenGLEG/EGL will be on X11 and GBM, thus no FBDEV ?
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby mdrjr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:03 pm

substring wrote:Nice choice for Realtek !

I guess the board can't be booted in 32bit mode, and that VSync'ed OpenGLEG/EGL will be on X11 and GBM, thus no FBDEV ?


Currently only X11 is supported we'll support more things in the future.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby mad_ady » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:18 pm

Well, it sounds and looks great! Great job HardKernel.

Regarding GPIO - I take it it's 3.3V, not 3.0V as listed in the diagram, right? The layout of the pins looks a lot like RPI/C0/C1/C2, so I take it many of the accessories will work. I take it that things like the 3.5" screen needs to have its driver adapted for the kernel and it should work.
Also, I don't see an IR receiver - perhaps an addon IR receiver board should be planned as well. What is also missing (apparently) is a I2S header - so things like boom bonnet or HiFi shields will probably not work.

Regarding the top acrylic case - for the final design you should make a spacing to allow a 40 pin riser to get above the case, so that you can plug in things like the 3.5" screen.

Having a boot SPI flash is also a great idea. Would probably allow for network boot.

Regarding a business strategy - aren't you worried that you're competing with HC1/HC2/Cloudshell with having the 2 SATA ports?

Also - I take it the fan is the exact same one as used on XU4, right? There will be complaints about the noise... :)

The architecture supported is not clear. I assume it's aarch64 and not armhf?

Overall it looks like a great piece of hardware. Finally people eager to buy something new will be busy :)
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:23 pm

I don't think it's competing because the Exynos 5422 supply will eventually dry up and they must have a successor ready to ship. A bit premature on release perhaps but still a necessity.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm

What is the function of the second switch? Hardware reset, uboot interrupt, boot selection?
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby mad_ady » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:39 pm

One is labeleld power and the other reset. I do hope they will be software controllable once booted. Maybe you want to disable/re-purpose them
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:42 pm

I'm guessing with 2.0 spec HDMI we won't have HDR?

I just noticed all the cables actually come out the same side less the SATA, nice.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby OverSun » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:51 pm

Wow, that's exactly the chip I was looking for my next project. Would really like to participate in software adoption for that. =D
Anyone want to have Kodi fbdev running on the board at the time of the release? =D
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby gangely » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:55 pm

Nice choice. Since last year, I'm successfully running an HC1 with an 1TB SSD formatted in BTRFS.
It's now my main home NAS, but I fear the single disk.
I just started to look for a 4GB RAM SBC with dual SATA and USB3 .. I think the N-1 is a perfect candidate.
Why 4GB? to be able to run a ZFS mirror.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby crashoverride » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:57 pm

OverSun wrote:Anyone want to have Kodi fbdev running on the board at the time of the release?

It should be supported already. The VPU interface is the same library Rockchip uses across multiple chips including the low end Rock64.
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/mpp

Also, it technically does not have fbdev. The kernel provides a KMS driver instead of the older fbdev interface.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby OverSun » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:01 pm

crashoverride wrote:
OverSun wrote:Anyone want to have Kodi fbdev running on the board at the time of the release?

It should be supported already. The VPU interface is the same library Rockchip uses across multiple chips including the low end Rock64.
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/mpp

Also, it technically does not have fbdev. The kernel provides a KMS driver instead of the older fbdev interface.


Yeah, I know, it was just a little tease. I think I was looking for rockhip and what they provide and in my opinion it looked like the most full company on software.
Still there is a way to improve. The only "officially" supported VPU way, as I understand right now, is their MPP library, custom ffmpeg from third-party and Kodi using that custom ffmpeg. VPDAU was dropped in support. Officialy they only have gstreamer. Which also brings some kind of ambiguity how it all works in the end together, what is working here and doesn't work there and other way around.
Hard to say really how much of it is marketing bullshit, how much of it is "will be implemented soon".
Also Kodi is determined to drop all third party codecs and use only ffmpeg in V19, which also brings requirement to make sure which path really works and what needs more work.

Anyway, I am really excited that the soc I was looking for is going to be release by Hardkernel. So I wouldn't need to look for other companies suppliers, with unknown level of support.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby voodik » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:06 pm

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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:07 pm

nice should catch quite a few users like the sata bus and the new cases..
the cpu only seems to differ slightly on speed`s with hex core +extra ram..many users would have hoped for just what H-k have produced...
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:13 pm

@mad_ady

GPIO voltage level is 3.0V not 3.3V because Rockchip strongly recommended it.
We tested our 40pin compatible add-on boards and they worked well.

We will try to find a space on the PCB to place an IR receiver.

There is no I2S interface on the board because we thought this expensive $110 board is not suitable for the audio application.
I still believe the affordable C1+ and C2 are more than enough for the audiophile projects.

Let's talk about the official case design later once we gather more requirements.

Yes, the SPI boot will be very useful. We connected a SPI flash to the 40pin SPI port and we can see the u-boot prompt without SD/eMMC.
But we need to find a way to use the SPI port on the 40pin header with a SPI flash together since there is only one hardware chip-select signal in the SoC.

I agree the XU4 fan is noisy. But couldn't find any affordable(cheap?) alternatives.

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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby moon.linux » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Excellent !!! great product under HK flagship.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:28 pm

i see pin 29 of the 40 pin header..is spdif_tx...is this a coax out or can an optic be hooked to it...????
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:30 pm

phaseshifter wrote:i see pin 29 of the 40 pin header..is spdif_tx...is this a coax out or can an optic be hooked to it...????

Something like this.
viewtopic.php?f=139&t=21477#p143224
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:32 pm

excellent...nice
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby tmihai20 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:35 pm

Will the active cooling be silent? Or will it have the same pitching sound when the cooler is started up?

What will the prices be? For the 2 variants? 100 USD maybe for the N1?
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:38 pm

tmihai20 wrote:Will the active cooling be silent? Or will it have the same pitching sound when the cooler is started up?


Odroid said it is the same XU4 cooler, same sound.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby thatchunkylad1989 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:54 pm

$110 is too much IMO.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:56 pm

thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:02 pm

in aud that is 140 odd but still 4Gb of ram plus the dual sata..etc..etc..seems ok ish..you dont see boards of the same $$ park with that amount of ram..and it is early days yet...

could see quite a few users going for the N-1 lite in early days...it is still very good value at 75$
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:08 pm

phaseshifter wrote:in aud that is 140 odd but still 4Gb of ram plus the dual sata..etc..etc..seems ok ish..you dont see boards of the same $$ park with that amount of ram..and it is early days yet...
That was my thought as well, you are getting value in that price in my opinion.

I think $99.01 is better but there has to be a little meat on the bone for HK to make a buck.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby Nominal Animal » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:10 pm

odroid wrote:I agree the XU4 fan is noisy. But couldn't find any affordable(cheap?) alternatives.

A 3D-printed shroud replacing the topmost acrylic panel should allow a 60x60mm fan for those who want less noise and better cooling. (Say, using Noctua NF A6x25, Scythe SY602012L, or a SilentiumPC Zephyr 60.)

Some kind of airflow directing flanges are necessary, because the center of the fan is basically at the center of the heatsink, and these small fans have relatively large hubs, meaning much less airflow at the center. For such lightweight fans, foam works better than rubber or silicone in isolating the fan (and the vibration it has) from the enclosure.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby nobe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:11 pm

i didn't see this board coming as well :p
but i sure am glad you made it.

one of the thing i like the most in HK's boards is that you're concerned about cooling
i also wonder what kind and of TIM (and specs) is used between the soc and the passive heatsink ?
i'm pretty sure there's room for improvement and reduce the throttling
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:12 pm

price will always be a disputable argument and if u want wifi there are 4 ports which to run a dongle
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby Raybuntu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:15 pm

Great News!!! RK3399 is something I've been focusing on lately as well. I already have a Rock960 board and it's really nice.
We already have LibreELEC support for RK3399:
https://github.com/Raybuntu/LibreELEC.t ... 99/options
This is based on @kwiboo's and @longchair's work. There will probably be official LibreELEC support for RK3399 and other Rockchips in LibreELEC 9.
Basically everything works now (not that stable at the moment). Mpeg2 decoder has a bug with Deinterlace and VC-1 is not yet implemented. Other than that we have good Kodi GUI performance, good HW decoded videos in Kodi,
Also Kodi's Retroplayer is working good too. I've already tested some SNES Games in Kodi with my LE9 builds.

Very excited to see HK jump on the Rockchip ship.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby crashoverride » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 pm

Don't overlook that this is a 4GB board, not a 2GB as I have seen others compare price with.

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A possible 2GB version of the board is mentioned in the original post @ $75 TBD
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby tmihai20 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:19 pm

At 100 USD I would probably order one (I would be 80-90% convinced). Transportation costs are a little high than the first time I ordered my first XU4 (that I managed to break). I think I would order an eMMC too, 32 GB probably. At 110 or 120 USD the price for an oDroid N1 + case + eMMC would be around 200 USD + taxes (19% + 20 EUR DHL tax). It would be too expensive to order.

I would rather have a smaller price at launch and a slower price decrease in time than to have a large price, but bigger price cuts in time. Just my 0.02 euro cents.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby stmicro » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:29 pm

Very well designed hardware ever! Software platform is very promising. But it is too much luxury like mercedes. I can buy volkswagen only. I'm very satisfied with my xu4 and c2. :evil:
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 pm

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I wish I could tell Mpeg2 to take a hike but with OTA it's a necessary evil, I guess that's about all it's for any longer.

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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby thatchunkylad1989 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:45 pm

odroid wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.


Well, considering the Rock64 is only $44, you're asking for way too much IMO.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:47 pm

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[u]Linux Kernel version[/u]
We’ve ported and tested Kernel 4.14 as well as 4.4. The latest Kernel 4.14 works fine except for some VPU/GPU driver glitches.
Due to this, we may keep using Kernel 4.4 until Rockchip releases a stable 4.14 BSP. Kernel 4.4 LTS will be maintained until Feb, 2022 by Greg Kroah-Hartman.


does this somewhat become a glitch in the making having to revert to an older kernel...will this 4.4 version be a bit of backwards motion..or can we expect very similar results as would 4.9 does atm

also since this is now a 64 bit platform how does it hold up with the orange emmc`s ..needing the 4.14 kernel as the xu4..or is this only a limitation of the xu4..does the N-1 differ with the orange chip and 4.4 image to be ran as the early days image..?? and how far away will be the use of 4.14..is there any news of it`s arrival..or when 18.04 is released..??
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:50 pm

thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
odroid wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.


Well, considering the Rock64 is only $44, you're asking for way too much IMO.
That's not the same SoC, it's 3328
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby nobe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:52 pm

what's the current status about OpenCL and Vulkan on RK3399 ?
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby thatchunkylad1989 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:53 pm

rooted wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
odroid wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.


Well, considering the Rock64 is only $44, you're asking for way too much IMO.
That's not the same SoC, it's 3328


And your point is? it's still the same sort of specs but for a much lower price...
$110 IS way too much, fact.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:56 pm

thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
rooted wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
odroid wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.


Well, considering the Rock64 is only $44, you're asking for way too much IMO.
That's not the same SoC, it's 3328


And your point is? it's still the same sort of specs but for a much lower price...
$110 IS way too much, fact.


Not the same SoC is my point, not the same RAM, not the same price...

That's like saying what is the difference between a Snapdragon 630 vs 835....a lot.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby phaseshifter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:00 pm

rem by user ...
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby thatchunkylad1989 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:01 pm

rooted wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
rooted wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:
odroid wrote:
thatchunkylad1989 wrote:$110 is too much IMO.

Yes, it is totally true.


Well, considering the Rock64 is only $44, you're asking for way too much IMO.
That's not the same SoC, it's 3328


And your point is? it's still the same sort of specs but for a much lower price...
$110 IS way too much, fact.


Not the same SoC is my point, not the same RAM, not the same price...

That's like saying what is the difference between a Snapdragon 630 vs 835....a lot.


Lmao, no.
AGAIN; $110 is too much and even @odroid agreed. lol
I'm done. ;)
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby voodik » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:12 pm

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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:13 pm

Android 7.1 image/source will be released in the middle of next week with Debian Stretch image/source together.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:20 pm

Another benchmark to compare the N1 with the XU4.

XU4 Exynos-5422 Octane benchmark.
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N1 RK3399 Octane benchmark.
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We used the same Chromium Browser ver. 63 with the performance governor on XU4 and N1.


Anyway, many people are thinking that ODROID-N1 is NOT affordable at all, as expected.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:25 pm

@odroid

What is the power consumption like vs the XU4 at full load without drives connected?
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby tmihai20 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:28 pm

We must have a common base to compare the N1 with other devices. We, as buyers, want to have the lowest price possible. You, as manufacturers, want to have a little profit or to have a price that pays for manufacturing at least. I also do not agree with the user that says 100 USD is way too much. Get a device based on the same chipset with the same amount and RAM at least, not to mention SATA/USB ports and Gigabit Ethernet. Some people do not know that manufacturing 100 boards does not cost the same as manufacturing 1000 boards. We ought to not mix simplify things like that. It is also easy to throw words around like they mean anything.

A higher price was expected. HardKernel needs to find that sweet spot to make N1 appeal to a lot of us. For me that price would be around 100 USD. If it were lower, I would be thrilled, although I know that is quite impossible.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby odroid » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:29 pm

@rooted,
As far as I remember, they were very similar.
We will measure it again within a couple of days while running the Octane bench.
We have to hack the SmartPower2 to enable 12Volt output.
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Re: The Next ODROID!

Unread postby rooted » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:31 pm

odroid wrote:@rooted,
As far as I remember, they were very similar.
We will measure it again within a couple of days while running the Octane bench.
We have to hack the SmartPower2 to enable 12Volt output.
That sounds dangerous, hope you don't ruin a SmartPower ;)
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