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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby alpha_one_x86 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:43 pm

meveric wrote:
fractal wrote:But some are some SoCs aimed at Set top boxes. I should think a PVR would need some cheap, bulk storage.

I wouldn't call a m-sata device a "cheap" bulk data. Even a crappy 5400 rpm HDD has at least 30 MiB/sec that's 240Mbit data stream, I know of no movie that uses such high data stream, normal blurays only have 54 Mbit/sec at most. So having a m-sata solution is not only very expensive but also very over dimentioned for the speed requirements.
And if I really have a PVR device, I would rather have 2TB of cheap storage to store tons of shows, than 128 GB of very fast expensive storage ;)

3D XPoint have potential to be 10x cheap than SSD, HDD is correct for this hardware due 1000Mbps ethernet limitation. But no native SATA port, it's why I keep my cubieboard on Allwinner A20.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby streetboy » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:08 pm

Is the RK3399 is much faster than Exynos-5422?
Is there any performance comparison of following items?
4xA15(2Ghz) vs 2xA72(2Ghz)
Mali-T628MP6(600Mhz) vs Mali-T860MP4(600Mhz)

I think RK3399 is not so faster than 5422. But I am not sure.
Single task oriented application should be much faster on RK3399 probably.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby vbextreme » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:11 pm

Without the A72 I would not take into account even the card.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby meveric » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:25 pm

As we can clearly see in the graph, only the cortex A72 can inflate up to 7 baloons simultaneously and is therefore obviously the better hardware
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby vbextreme » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:44 pm

firefly rk3399 ~75000 antutu Benchmark
Odroid xu4 ~55000 antutu Benchmark

Rk it has many interfaces, usb 3, dual monitors, pcie, etc.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby meveric » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:59 pm

yep the RockChip boards look pretty decent from what I've seen and they have VDPAU support, means you can play movies hardware accelerated directly on desktop.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby vbextreme » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:45 pm

ODROID once replaced the xu4 chip with a 64bit do not think I should do other big changes for this range of board.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby armandob » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:26 pm

Hi all,
no rumors about release date and platform of new XU5 ?
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby Fred From France » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:42 am

armandob wrote:Hi all,
no rumors about release date and platform of new XU5 ?


Please, this message is aging for more a less one month w/o respond to this question, hardKernel, it is our month (MWC), please share information!
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby meveric » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:58 am

It's not even confirmed there will be an "XU5" how can there be a release date or anything?
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby memeka » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:36 am

They should call it XU6 just such that there's no XU5 :))
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby Rishabh » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:50 pm

I only have one request for the XU5, whenever it may be released. 4K 10-bit HEVC Hardware decoding @ 60fps, honestly even 1080p@60fps HEVC will be fine. I don't think this is a wild request because according to this post, Best HEVC x265 decoder. C2, XU4?, ODROID-C2 supports 4K HEVC Decoding @ 60fps. I want this feature on the XU5 because currently I'm using a Raspberry Pi 3 as an all-in-one OSMC media center + Print and Scan server + NAS Drive + Seedbox, with Couchpotato and Sonarr, it works fine but cannot play 1080p HEVC and its NAS transfer speed is pretty damn slow. I could buy the C2 but it doesn't have USB 3.0 so would probably have similar NAS Transfer speeds. So, pretty please.

Or ...
you could add USB 3.0 support on C3 :mrgreen:.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby mad_ady » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:23 pm

Actually, the C2 will be a much better nas than RPI, because the C2 has gigabit ethernet decoupled from the USB bus. This means you should get up to 40MB/s over usb2.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby elatllat » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:45 pm

Rishabh wrote:...media center...NAS...

get a C2, a XU4, and upgrade to all in one later.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby mad_ady » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:53 pm

Regarding USB performance as a NAS, on the C2 - I ran a small benchmark and I can get 34MB/s read speed from a disk attacked to a C2 over NFS, which is not bad, considering its USB bus is also shared with a USB sound card and a web cam. I'm actually considering giving up on my XU4 as a NAS because the USB3 ports cause all sorts of problems and I get random disconnects. I need to investigate this further. Anyway, my wish for the next XU is - more stable USB3 ports :D
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby memeka » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:38 pm

@mad_ady - xu4 usb3 random disconnects also with the 4.9 kernel?
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby mad_ady » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:30 pm

Unfortunatelly yes - both the network adapter and disks (independently): viewtopic.php?t=26121
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby memeka » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:38 am

Even if I think it will never happen (because of $), a very nice SoC looks to be iMX8 QuadMax

* 4xA53@1.2Ghz + 2xA72@1.8Ghz
* 2x Cortex-M4F realtime
* (probably 4GB RAM) LPDDR4
* 1xSATA3
* 2xPCIe 3.0 - this is the first one I see with PCIe3.0, which has >900MB/lane (PCIe 2.0 has 500MB/lane)
* h265 HDR, h264, HDMI 2.0, ...
* vivante GPU - it's not clear if it's Vivante7000 @ 64 GFlops, or Vivante7200 (2xVivante7000) @ 128 GFlops. For reference, C2 mali is ~40 GFlops, XU4 mali is ~100 GFlops, RK3399 mali is ~80GFlops
* 2xGB Ethernet
* USB3.0

I would expect the price to be on the high side, probably a cheaper variant is RK3399 which is very similar (except PCIe is 2.1, 1x GB eth, no native SATA, prb over PCIe, slower mali but HK already has mali licensed).

Btw, there's also a iMX8M, which looks like a good upgrade for a future C3:

* similar 4xA53 cores
* similar * h265 HDR, h264, HDMI 2.0, ...
* similar performance ~32GFlops Vivante GPU
* similar 1GB ethernet
but extra you got:
* RTC
* SPI
* 2xUSB3.0
* 2xPCIe 2.0 1lane

which is exactly what one would want from a C3: a C2 with USB3.0 and SATA over PCIe. I think you can put up to 4 SATA with ~250MB/s bandwidth, and up to 8 SATA with >100MB/s bandwidth (for GB NAS).
But again, the cost would be like the XU4 not like the C2 :)
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby crashoverride » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:50 am

memeka wrote:Btw, there's also a iMX8M, which looks like a good upgrade for a future C3:

I still don't think it should be called "C*". There are plenty of other letters in the alphabet to choose from... With the exception of "i" which either Intel or Apple (or both) will sue. :lol:

Another issue with "C*" is the GPIO connector. We can have all these wonderful new hardware capabilities, but they will be useless if there is no connection to expose them for use. So I think if a new SoC is going to be introduced, it should have both a new letter and a new connector.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby rooted » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:05 am

memeka wrote:But again, the cost would be like the XU4 not like the C2 :)


The difference is only $10 USD now.
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby Rishabh » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:23 pm

mad_ady wrote:Actually, the C2 will be a much better nas than RPI, because the C2 has gigabit ethernet decoupled from the USB bus. This means you should get up to 40MB/s over usb2.


I do know that but ODROUD-C2 was unavailable, has been for quite some time. I simply bought RPi 3 because it was available
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Re: Which List for Next Gem (XU5)

Unread postby mad_ady » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:00 am

I understand, but the C1+ would still make a better NAS than RPI3 for the same reasons, though it's slower and has less ram than the C2
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