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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby memeka » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:15 pm

does the XU4 shifter shield have mounting holes compatible to rpi2 hats ?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby piker » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:12 pm

Errors buffer i/o error on device mmcblk0p2 from Samsung 64gb pro and evo cards during boot. I get to Ubuntu login and can login fine but the errors continue to appear and disrupt any editing of files or so on....
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby gaara » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:03 pm

Hi all, and thanks to Odroid to develop an "affordable" powerful board.
I have several questions:
- Can I use the usb audio adapter with it ?
- Can I power it with 5V 2A ? (with a power bank)

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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby patoberli » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:16 pm

@piker
Try the disable-uhs option in the boot.ini.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:58 pm

piker wrote:all, a newbie here sorry.
Bought 8x XU4, 1 XU3, 1U3.

Focusing on the XU4: Bought 12x 64gb samsung Pro 90mb/80mb working on getting a ubuntu server install and need some help. The Microsd cards are having issue with IO error and USB1 error. Tried the disableuhs but no good. Tried multiple cards but same issue. tried multiple boards same issue.

Is this a XU3 issue image or ?? Need help... I have the samsung evo 64gb as well as the samsung pro 128gb. If all goes well I will buy 20+ of these boards next week and then possibly 100+ in the next month for a project we are trying...


Create your own thread and we'll address from there.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby glscantlen » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:38 am

by piker
no Micro USB on the XU4... 2xstd USB3 and 1x std USB2

I see that. Those USB ports will not support the function of the MicroUSB OTG.
It appears the XU4 is targeting tethered network devices, not handheld mobile.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby Hominidae » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:27 pm

...nice board!

Two questions thought:

...will it support CEC over HDMI?
..and will it provide enough power to drive a USB3 disk?

TIA,
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:34 pm

Yes. CEC works on Ubuntu/Kodi.

Yes, it does.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:32 am

Hominidae wrote:..and will it provide enough power to drive a USB3 disk?


We've tested below USB HDD models and all of them was okay.
- WD My PassPort Slim USB 3.0 1TB
- Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 1TB
- ODROID CloudShell (http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 3599699669)
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:35 am

memeka wrote:does the XU4 shifter shield have mounting holes compatible to rpi2 hats ?


No.. only 2 mounting holes are compatible.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 3556253995
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:37 am

gaara wrote:- Can I use the usb audio adapter with it ?
- Can I power it with 5V 2A ? (with a power bank)


Yes, it works with many standard UAC compatible audio adpaters including ours.

No. 5V/2A is not sufficient. I could observe 3Amp of rush current in the booting process.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby memeka » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:57 am

odroid wrote:
memeka wrote:does the XU4 shifter shield have mounting holes compatible to rpi2 hats ?


No.. only 2 mounting holes are compatible.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 3556253995



can you access I2S with the shifter board on?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:05 am

memeka wrote:can you access I2S with the shifter board on?


No. Only one I2C port on the 12pin header socket were connected to the Shifter shield.
Refer the schematics.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 3556253995
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby memeka » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:53 pm

odroid wrote:
memeka wrote:can you access I2S with the shifter board on?


No. Only one I2C port on the 12pin header socket were connected to the Shifter shield.
Refer the schematics.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 3556253995


I saw the schematics, hoped there was a way :)
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby gaara » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:06 pm

No. 5V/2A is not sufficient. I could observe 3Amp of rush current in the booting process.

Ok, so I need a 5V5A regulator step-down from 12V.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby patchoncas » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:49 am

Hello.
Does anyone know if the ODROID XU-4 comes bundled with the power suply when bought from Pollin, or is that just a Hardkernel store thing?

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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:14 am

patchoncas wrote:Hello.
Does anyone know if the ODROID XU-4 comes bundled with the power suply when bought from Pollin, or is that just a Hardkernel store thing?

Thank you.


It should. You can contact pollin for get 100% confirmation. But it should come with PSU as well.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby patchoncas » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:30 am

mdrjr wrote:It should. You can contact pollin for get 100% confirmation. But it should come with PSU as well.


Thank you for the prompt answer! Obrigado.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby Vincent » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:10 pm

Hi everyone,

This new board looks AWESOME.

However, no clue for people depending on the USB OTG for many use cases :(?
PC <[usb otg]> Odroid U3 <[usb-to-rs232]> Device using serial port

I was using module g_serial to create a serial communication between my PC and the U3 ([usb otg]) and forward it (using socat) to the serial port created by the [usb-to-rs232] cable. And as soon as I unplugged the USB otg, I used to kill the socat process to let the U3 go back in "standalone" mode (server app).

Thanks and good job.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:24 pm

There is no USB OTG port on the XU4.
You need to use the USB-UART kit or an equivalent.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby Vincent » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:27 pm

Hi Odroid,

Thanks for the quick answer!

You mean that by using this module I'd be able to create a serial communication between my PC and the XU4? (and thus, redirecting this serial port to another one, using socat on the XU4).

My skills in electronics are quite limited, sorry for the silly question (if it is!).

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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:38 pm

Yes, correct. But the 4-pin connector is dedicated for the serial console.
If you need a generic socket communication, you need to consider other interface like a UART on the 30pin GPIO header or Ethernet.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby Vincent » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:42 pm

Ok I took some notes. I assume I will still be able to use g_serial if I'm connecting the GPIO with a USB-UART cable? I made few changes in the source code of composite.c in order to raise a UDEV event when something is plugged on the USB OTG of my Odroid U3 (so I can trigger some shell script, including "socat").

I will have a closer look to this beautiful XU4 ;-).

Thanks again.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:04 am

@Vincent
Please open a new thread to talk about the serial communication on the XU3/XU4 forum.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby crossover » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:33 pm

Really interesting board.
I have a question about the performance compare to the Rockchip's RK3288 which has newer Cortex-A17 quad core.
I have another board based on the RK3288 but it has no USB 3.0 port. So I want to buy the xu4.

Can you guys run the Octane benchmark with the latest Chromium to show me the performance?
My Rk3288 board brought around 6200~6400 of Octane score.

Another interesting reference is my Samsung Galaxy-S6 Exynos-7420 based 64bit smartphone.
It shows about 6100~6300 Octane score.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:53 pm

I believe the XU4 is one of the most powerful development board in the world. :D
The Octane score on the XU4 is 7700~7900.
Screenshot-Octane 2.0 JavaScript Benchmark - Chromium-1.png
Screenshot-Octane 2.0 JavaScript Benchmark - Chromium-1.png (126.67 KiB) Viewed 84833 times


Note that there is no performance difference between the Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A17 in the real world.
I think Exynos-5422 has higher CPU clock frequency and higher memory bandwidth against the RK3288.


Good to know that the Exynos-7420 Cortex-A57 doesn't show any big difference of performance.
Even though I know well it is not fair to compare with the mobile device which has no active cooler.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby memeka » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:53 pm

i think A17 is more power efficient than a15, but performance wise is similar.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby crossover » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:20 pm

Thank you for the answers. The performance of the XU4 is really impressive. I think this board can replace my old ATOM dual-core NAS machine.
I will order the CloudShell too. The small TFT LCD monitor on the cloudshell is really cute. LXDE GUI on the NAS LCD is a very exciting project for me even though it is not really useful. ;)
Can I run the X11 on the small LCD frame-buffer?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:07 am

Yes you can.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby suriyan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:30 pm

Just ordered an XU4 from ameridroid ... Shall await its arrival :-)
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby npeters » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:49 pm

What if I still want to get an XU3-board?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby suriyan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:58 pm

npeters wrote:What if I still want to get an XU3-board?

Hi npeters,
If you are in the US/Canada I see that ameridroid.com still has some XU3 boards. There might be other retailers who still have limited quantities hanging around.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby flashman » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:16 am

Hi all.

I'm very interested to this board. In particular to experimental kernel 4.2.x.

May be 4.2.x runs on XU3. In the main page I read that SW is the same. And I see also HW.

It is possible to try ?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby meveric » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:23 am

yes.. it should work on both XU3 and XU4 in the end they both use the same settings.. if you check the arch/arm/boot/dts folder you will see there is a exynos5422-odroidxu3.dts and exynos5422-odroidxu4.dts settings which both just use a "exynos5422-odroidxu3-common.dtsi" setting, so they are both identical anyway.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby npeters » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:35 am

If you are in the US/Canada I see that ameridroid.com still has some XU3 boards. There might be other retailers who still have limited quantities hanging around.


The German retailer is out of stock, I am not sure whether the others would ship to Germany.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:48 am

@npeters
Can you tell me why do you need the XU3 instead of XU4?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mcoburn » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:51 pm

1. How stable is the USB3? I had an issue with my XU (which only had one USB3 port) that a bus-powered USB3 drive would randomly disconnect and get in a state where the kernel was saying "unable to reset port 1 on exynos_xhci". USB2 ports worked a treat though. And yeah, I haven't thrown my ODROID-XU out yet.

2. Is the gigabit on a dedicated line to the SoC or is it shared with the USB bus? Because I'm not 100% sure you'd get true gigabit, more like the speed up to what the bus can handle.

For $74 bucks it looks sexy, but since the Aussie dollar is crap to the USD at the moment, it'll be expensive. Might wait until it matures.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:57 pm

1. USB3 is very stable. I'm using it heavily to drive an SSD for development.
2. One USB3 line is dedicated to Gigabit... Nothing but the Gigabit ethernet is there.. Hence why we can achieve 800mb+ on it.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mcoburn » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:01 pm

mdrjr wrote:1. USB3 is very stable. I'm using it heavily to drive an SSD for development.

Wow. So Samsung must have improved their chipset USB3 support? (What chip is it running, btw? Exynos 5-something?)
mdrjr wrote:2. One USB3 line is dedicated to Gigabit... Nothing but the Gigabit ethernet is there.. Hence why we can achieve 800mb+ on it.

That's good. What's the CPU consumption when using gigabit considering it's running on the USB3 bus and that can be CPU cycle heavy...
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:34 pm

1. We added an extra USB 3.0 hub IC to improve the stability/compatibility.
Refer the block diagram and full schematics in this link.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... &tab_idx=2
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby oi0000 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:02 pm

Does XU4 support performance counters ?
(in other words, does it solve the problem with XU3) ?

General comments
- A cheaper option is a good news, but as a customer without domestic distributor,
this means higher relative cost for shipping
- Wanted options of energy sensors and larger memory..
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:45 am

I'm afraid it does not.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby shepo » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:16 pm

Got mine on order
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby beatmag » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:26 am

Wanted to ask how loud the fan can be?
How many rpm is it max

Is it louder than a 3.5" external hd?
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby odroid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:24 am

The maximum fan speed is 4000rpm approx.
I will check the fan noise loudness level in db with our supplier.

Note that the fan doesn't run in the idle mode.

EDIT: It is about 23 dBA.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby alcane » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:55 pm

Hi all,

I m new on the forum :)

I m very interested to use a odroid card (xu4) to build an access point.
Focus on ubuntu with hostapd.

I read all the topics regarding this topics in the forum but i dont found clear answer.

Somebody could answer clearly to this :
A odroid XU-4 with last ubuntu image can operate correctly hostapd ?
if yes, witch wifi dongle ? the wifi model 3 ?

Thanks for your help :)

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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:16 pm

Wifi Module #3 you need hostapd from Realtek sources (not hard to build)
Wifi Module #4 regular hostapd should work just fine.

In all scenarios this is perfectly fine.
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby kbalisciano » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:44 am

I surprised they went with a full sized HDMI cable not that I really use it since I SSH into the odroid we have. So happy we have a wireless N card but I wonder if we will get an AC card. I'm having some issues with Linux drivers so maybe they are as well
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby mdrjr » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:50 am

I've added Realtek 8812au support for ODROID-C1.

Next on the list is XU4 :)
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Re: ODROID-XU4

Unread postby straubie » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:54 am

I just got answer from Pollin.de

The XU4 there contains only a fan, no PSU.
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