The i.MX8 family does look interesting. Adding it to the Odroid "C" family would probably be confusing for customers though since its an entirely different vendor and hardware from the current C0, C1, and C2.Having said this I'm surprised nobody mentioned the new i.mx8 family yet.
http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontro ... ing:i.MX8MThe i.MX 8 multi-sensory enablement kit (MEK) is now available to prototype i.MX 8M systems. Limited sampling of i.MX 8M will begin in the second quarter of 2017, and general availability is expected in the fourth quarter of 2017.
That is only partly true. The MEK you already mentioned, does offer some interesting feats if you read the fine print:The i.MX8M is not available until 4Q2017.
From http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/dat ... 8FAMFS.pdfEARLY DEVELOPMENT ACCESS
The i.MX 8 multi-sensory evaluation kit (MEK) is available now to prototype i.MX 8 and i.MX 8X systems.
The importance of that is that NXP is currently being acquired by Qualcomm. It is therefore necessary to ensure product availability for such far reaching schedules especially for parts that are not yet even sampling (2Q17).The i.MX8M is not available until 4Q2017.
Agreed, specially because when we finally get a xu5 people will be a lot less worried about the C line having usb3.the i.MX8 chip looks quite similar to the S905
* same A53 quad-core CPU
* GPU is vivante 9000 lite, which performance-wise looks similar to mali 450, but it is vulkan-compatible
* similar VPU (h265, h264, 4k...)
* hdmi 2.0a (4k)
on the plus side, it's got USB 3.0
on the minus side, vpu drivers status is unknown, and this could be a big problem... (unless there will be a time when both c2 and imx8 would be available until drivers mature)
overall, not sure if adding a new platoform/vendor just for USB3.0 will be worth the development issues (having to support exynos, aml and nxp kernels).
i totally agree with that.The "catch" with i.MX processors has always been cost. Hopefully, it will be competitively priced.
Well to me it's THE tipping point and the only reason I don't order a C2 right away (despite it being out of stock of course ). What's the point of having GB Lan anyway if you got no means to read/write the data fast enough?overall, not sure if adding a new platoform/vendor just for USB3.0 will be worth the development issues (having to support exynos, aml and nxp kernels).
Is there any indication we can hope for that except the base SOC not being the most recent?when we finally get a xu5
Streaming media, bulk data processing that results in less written to disk than ingested, lots of reasons. Remember that USB3 ports, on the XU4 at least, have an additional power price to pay vs USB2 even when using a USB2 device in that port. I really don't want to see the C3 backslide on power consumption vs the C2.What's the point of having GB Lan anyway if you got no means to read/write the data fast enough?
I use it for mounting iSCSI volumes where the storage is on a NAS. Others remote mount NFS volumes.What's the point of having GB Lan anyway if you got no means to read/write the data fast enough?
Totally agreed! That's why I'm hoping for an A35 core.I really don't want to see the C3 backslide on power consumption vs the C2.
There are very low cost (and low power) x86 boards that are much better suited for the task. The advantage that a product like HardKernel's Cloud Shell offers is portability. My NAS interest is performance and redundancy which requires multiple drives and bonded network interfaces.If a low power C3 had a USB3 port, you could hook a disk to it, keep it running 24/7 and turn it into a home level NAS.
There are a lot of situations where you need floating point performance, some RAM, and a POSIX environment, which rules out a microcontroller, while still being power conscious. There needs to be a range of solutions. The C2 meets my existing needs quite well. Yes it's overkill on the compute side, but there isn't anything "lesser" on the market that has the same capabilities without actually drawing more power.For power sensitive applications, I use a micro-controller. The C2 and a future C3 would be way overkill for any power sensitive scenario.
The line gets blurrier every day. The Cortex-M line has become quite capable with the M7 and above. Even the M4F has a FPU.There are a lot of situations where you need floating point performance, some RAM, and a POSIX environment, which rules out a microcontroller, while still being power conscious.
I think the existence of Android (and iOS for that matter w/r POSIX) would disagree with youLinux (and its POSIX environment) are contraindicated where power consumption is a priority.
Actually, they both support my premise. Inside both devices you will find micro-controllers used to make power consumption manageable.I think the existence of Android (and iOS for that matter w/r POSIX) would disagree with you
Also for the record, the Cortex-A35 design is more power efficient because it has less complexity. This also makes it slower to an identically clocked A53. That is the trade-off. You can have faster and more power hungry or slower and more power efficient. The A53 is the compromise between both. If Linux ever gets HMP support, then the big.LITTLE designs offer both processor complexes to choose from.For the record, I want faster and not less frugal.
I was wrong, disregard.My wishlist for a ODROID-C3:
- instead of 4 USB2 ports, make it 2 USB3 and 2 USB2 ports, or 4 USB3 ports if this doesn't impact the idle power draw.
USB2 is limiting I/O, for quick data transfers please have USB3 option.
Is there any indication we can hope for that except the base SOC not being the most recent?hugolp wrote:
when we finally get a xu5
I don't know what they have coming but the S912 already came out.Thank you guys for the great responses! I had never expected such an interesting discussion on a plain wish list.
I'm more with @campbell regarding the power/heat topic but have seen some very interesting points here on efficient CPU set up.
Just since nobody reacted to this:
Maybe somebody here knows if Amlogic is working on a successor to the S905? Any details available?Is there any indication we can hope for that except the base SOC not being the most recent?hugolp wrote:
when we finally get a xu5
Yah 8 is likely going to be used in Samsung/MediaTek products only at first but we might be lucky enough to get 6 like the OnePlus 3 from June 2016.8GB of RAM is not going to happen, we will be lucky to get 3.
While I don't agree with this statement and don't see why there should be a large scale "XU" if the next "C" already was on par with a full scale PC, I think he was clear on this point.Even if it makes a board more expensive than C2
Supply and demand can be a real bitch :/Yes! DRAM price is crazy. 8gbyte ddr3 DIMM module was $50 in last August from BestBuy. But it is $80 now.
I wouldn't go around making these assumptions personally.Yep, but most aren'tI doubt it, he's a pretty good developer
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